10th Doctor in the Star Trek Book-verse(potential spoilers)

[theonering]

Just thought I would share this with everybody.
I've reading Peter David's latest "New Frontier" novel "Blind Man's Bluff and came across a Doctor Who reference. Here's the quote, beware of small spoilers to the book.

Spoiler: Spoiler for Star Trek New Frontiers: Blind Man's Bluff

"This is the Doctor," Seven said by way of explanation.
Soleta looked momentarily confused. "The Doctor? I met a man called the Doctor once. Wore a long brown coat and a blue suit. Very odd person. This isn't him."

Nice to see that Peter David is a Who fan too

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I grinned like a little boy when I read that bit of the book (I also loved the inclusion of Gallifrey as a publishing location in the front of the book). I don't know about anyone else, but I would love to read about The Tenth Doctor and Soleta's adventure together.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

PAD's a Doctor Who fan going back a long way.

I have some of his early Doctor Who fanzine work at home, including The TARDIS at Pooh Corner, an illustrated novella about Doctor Pooh, written in the style of A.A. Milne.

 

[Mr Awe]

Some early Trek books that I read long ago, must've been the 80s referenced Doctor Who. Some reference it as a fictional series that was restored or maybe hologram-ized. I forget, but pretty sure it included a description that fit Tom Baker. Another bookrefered to a mysterious race of time lords that manipulate time or something like that. I've long forgotten the specific books that included these.

Mr Awe

 

[StCoop]

The Brig and Benton are in "How Much For Just The Planet?" (the best Trek novel every written BTW) and "Ishmael" has a bunch of reference to DW and other shows.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Some early Trek books that I read long ago, must've been the 80s referenced Doctor Who. Some reference it as a fictional series that was restored or maybe hologram-ized. I forget, but pretty sure it included a description that fit Tom Baker.

Diane Duane's My Enemy, My Ally has Uhura watching a 3-d-ified Tom Baker episode.

Before you ask which episode, it's not an episode that exists in our universe.

 

[StCoop]

Diane Duane's My Enemy, My Ally has Uhura watching a 3-d-ified Tom Baker episode.

Which makes him both fictional and non-fictional in the Trek Universe!

Does anyone know if RTD was joking or serious when he said he tried to do a DW/Enterpirse crossover episode for Series 1?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Does anyone know if RTD was joking or serious when he said he tried to do a DW/Enterprise crossover episode for Series 1?

My impression, both from Davies' interview with The Times where he brought it up and from The Writer's Tale, that Davies was genuinely serious about it. I believe it would have gone in the "Boomtown" slot and what I've heard is that Julie Gardner put out a feeler, but by that time the writing was already on the wall for Enterprise.

I've tried to imagine Eccleston and Bakula together, but just as I get close, my bran fritzes out.

 

[Psion]

Don't forget about the episode "Future Tense" when the NX-01 comes across a burned-out time capsule that's bigger on the inside. I wonder if the whole Temporal Cold War concept was rigged to allow cross-overs with Doctor Who. But that would have required RTD and company to have made contact with Paramount quite some time before their show actually made it back on television.

 

[Lonemagpie]

The EMH's cameo in IFM was originally a Mark XI, as "played" by (and looking like) Matt Smith. But I thought better of it at the proofs stage...

 

[Theodore Jay Miller]

"Blind Man's Bluff" has another 10th Doctor reference: The Doctor (the EMH) sets up a computer virus to activate when he says the phrase "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry."

 

[Ood Sigma]

^ That one gave me the giggles for a good 5 minutes.

 

[23skidoo]

Don't forget about the episode "Future Tense" when the NX-01 comes across a burned-out time capsule that's bigger on the inside. I wonder if the whole Temporal Cold War concept was rigged to allow cross-overs with Doctor Who. But that would have required RTD and company to have made contact with Paramount quite some time before their show actually made it back on television.

It would have made a crossover easy, though. And yeah, the ship in Future Tense has been acknowledged as being a TARDIS homage, right down to the use of roundel-like patterns in the design.

A little-known fact I was unaware of until recently was that RTD was originally approached for a project called Doctor Who 2000 in 1999. It never went anywhere, but I would imagine it's one reason RTD was picked for the second attempt. So in many ways the DW revival was in gestation during the first seasons of Enterprise, but it's highly doubtful anything serious would have come of it. Aside from the fact the DW franchise has acknowledged Star Trek as a piece of fiction, the licensing would have been a nightmare. And I was nervous enough about Universal Pictures getting a piece of Doctor Who for the TV movie, never mind Paramount.

Alex

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Aside from the fact the DW franchise has acknowledged Star Trek as a piece of fiction, the licensing would have been a nightmare.

I doubt it would have been any worse than the Homicide/Law & Order crossovers, which had two different production companies and two different cities to deal with.

I doubt it would have happened, even if Enterprise hadn't been cancelled, because Berman and Braga lack the sense of fun that RTD has.

 

[Psion]

... Aside from the fact the DW franchise has acknowledged Star Trek as a piece of fiction, the licensing would have been a nightmare. And I was nervous enough about Universal Pictures getting a piece of Doctor Who for the TV movie, never mind Paramount.

Yeah ... I'm not sure I'd want anyone to get Doctor Who in my Star Trek, either. They're two great tastes, but I don't think they're terribly compatible, except as a fun "what if" one-off that isn't canon for either franchise. Otherwise, I don't think the back stories work well with each other.

Perhaps if the Federation were treated as being from a separate universe from that in which the TARDIS operates, a crossover could occur without badly compromising either. Meeting in a neutral, third reality might leave both sides confused enough so that any encounters wouldn't seriously contaminate Who or Trek.

 

[RevdKathy]

It's the sort of idea that sounds like it would make the most delicious fanfic, but probably wouldn't actually work onscreen.

 

[The Wormhole]

Does anyone know if RTD was joking or serious when he said he tried to do a DW/Enterpirse crossover episode for Series 1?

Although Enterprise's cancellation took that idea off the table, RTD still batted an idea around of the Doctor visiting a Star Trek style starship with a crew set up in the traditional Trek manner, a captain, first officer, science officer, alien officer with a funny forehead. Ultimately, he didn't go ahead with the idea, and now it's just a brief mention in The Writer's Tale.

 

[Count Zero]

I really liked the idea of a Who/Trek crossover when I first heard about it. And RTD's style could have done wonders for ENT. Ever since, I've wondered what RTD could do with Star Trek. Someone should let him do a series. The mass melt-downs of fans all over the net alone would be worth it.

 

[Anachronus]

It'd be more interesting then ENT was.

 

[David cgc]

Does anyone know if RTD was joking or serious when he said he tried to do a DW/Enterpirse crossover episode for Series 1?

Although Enterprise's cancellation took that idea off the table, RTD still batted an idea around of the Doctor visiting a Star Trek style starship with a crew set up in the traditional Trek manner, a captain, first officer, science officer, alien officer with a funny forehead. Ultimately, he didn't go ahead with the idea, and now it's just a brief mention in The Writer's Tale.

They've played with it a bit since then. The cruise ship in "A Christmas Carol" was a pretty blatant ST09 pastiche, complete with lens flares.