I noticed that too, and wondered if it was an intentional nod.
Fringe: "The Day We Died" - Season finale 3/22 on FOX
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I noticed that too, and wondered if it was an intentional nod.
Well that was just ARRRRRRRRRR what a WTF ending and my god that would of been a cruel series finale so I look forward to the last 22 episodes of Fringe starting in September 
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So we are the first people and sometime in the original timeline probably right near the end of our Earth's fate, Walter builds parts of the device and sends them back in time creating a new 2nd timeline of events. In this 2nd timeline we find the device build it but fail to safe our worlds still but since hes already built the machine, Walter comes up with a 2nd plan and creates a 3rd timeline of events. In this new timeline Peter is sent a warning about the future when he steps into the machine so Peter brings both sides together and then is wiped out from the timeline changing the future...
Am right so far right
? so 3 timelines all creating one big paradox 
. Why do I think the Observors are the the future human race indicating maybe we saved at least one universe or delayed the end of days but its still not quite right so there trying to create a new timeline of events (This would be timeline number 4) to finish off Walter's work.
FRINGE your hurtng my head
Edit - I need to fit in my theory though the idea that humans end up millions on years back in the past in the first place because the device wiped out 95% of all time right just before the dinosaurs.
.So we are the first people and sometime in the original timeline probably right near the end of our Earth's fate, Walter builds parts of the device and sends them back in time creating a new 2nd timeline of events. In this 2nd timeline we find the device build it but fail to safe our worlds still but since hes already built the machine, Walter comes up with a 2nd plan and creates a 3rd timeline of events. In this new timeline Peter is sent a warning about the future when he steps into the machine so Peter brings both sides together and then is wiped out from the timeline changing the future...
Am right so far right
? so 3 timelines all creating one big paradox . Why do I think the Observors are the the future human race indicating maybe we saved at least one universe or delayed the end of days but its still not quite right so there trying to create a new timeline of events (This would be timeline number 4) to finish off Walter's work. FRINGE your hurtng my head
Edit - I need to fit in my theory though the idea that humans end up millions on years back in the past in the first place because the device wiped out 95% of all time right just before the dinosaurs.
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Checkmate
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Stupidity isn't clever.
Everything Walter vomited out of his mouth about not being able to do X but Y was okay for some inexplicabe reason was 100%, Grade A, Top of the Line, Stupid(tm). "Listen Peter, I have to jeopardize both universes! I have no choice! I must send the machien back! But you! You can stop all of this from happening! Somehow it's okay to change events that way! I won't get into the details why because there's no fucking sensible way to go into the details because those details don't make a God damned lick of sense, but just do as I say! The plot demands it! It all makes sense, Peter! Don't you see?!?"
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Everything Walter vomited out of his mouth about not being able to do X but Y was okay for some inexplicabe reason was 100%, Grade A, Top of the Line, Stupid(tm). "Listen Peter, I have to jeopardize both universes! I have no choice! I must send the machien back! But you! You can stop all of this from happening! Somehow it's okay to change events that way! I won't get into the details why because there's no fucking sensible way to go into the details because those details don't make a God damned lick of sense, but just do as I say! The plot demands it! It all makes sense, Peter! Don't you see?!?"
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Checkmate
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I like the show.
I hate the creators (and say what you will, but every show they work on that has time travel winds up with it being this level of Stupid(tm)) idiotic ideas when it comes to time travel stories.
Believe it or not, you can like something as a whole and hate parts of it. God fucking forbid.
Oh, sorry, I didn't include a smiley face so that you know it's all okay.
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I hate the creators (and say what you will, but every show they work on that has time travel winds up with it being this level of Stupid(tm)) idiotic ideas when it comes to time travel stories.
Believe it or not, you can like something as a whole and hate parts of it. God fucking forbid.
Oh, sorry, I didn't include a smiley face so that you know it's all okay.
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There are some people who seem to hate the core of FRINGE and when you dislike the core nature of a show why watch?
Time Travel is complex, dumb and wacky fun but you can't really judge it until the final part of the story that probably won't occur till May 2012. I really hope the writers don't plan for a 5th season because its not going to happen so hopefully FOX will tell them by November, wrap it up guys and don't let it drag on.
Time Travel is complex, dumb and wacky fun but you can't really judge it until the final part of the story that probably won't occur till May 2012. I really hope the writers don't plan for a 5th season because its not going to happen so hopefully FOX will tell them by November, wrap it up guys and don't let it drag on.
Time travel can be done well when writers establish rules, communicate them to the audience clearly and abide by them. Examples--the Xindi arc on ENT S1 of Heroes and S5 of LOST. Fringe plays so fast and loose with their science and plot--most of it based on comtrivances to move the story along with no ryhme or reason.
As others have noted, it's completely different people running the show these days. Much like how Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse were running Lost at the end, not Abrams.
IMO, it wasn't a matter of Walter having to send the machine back in time. I think he had to send a slightly modified version of the machine to create a new chain of events in which Peter could flash forward in time and make a wiser choice regarding the two universes, etc.
In trying to save the world, future Walter has probably created many different timelines. He's the "time looper", which is probably why the Observers are so fixated on him.
In trying to save the world, future Walter has probably created many different timelines. He's the "time looper", which is probably why the Observers are so fixated on him.
I'm going to ask this question again sine no one replied.
Walter's explanation of the origin of the machine makes sense...on Earth 1. Where did Walternate get his machine? Earth 2 was already destroyed and never had any form of temporal rift. So unless these Earths originated from a common universe that diverge a some point after the Cretaceous...there is no way to explain how both worlds had machines and documents. Of course having a common lineage might explain why these two universes are apparently linked. Assuming that was true...one wonders what happens to cause the split?
Walter's explanation of the origin of the machine makes sense...on Earth 1. Where did Walternate get his machine? Earth 2 was already destroyed and never had any form of temporal rift. So unless these Earths originated from a common universe that diverge a some point after the Cretaceous...there is no way to explain how both worlds had machines and documents. Of course having a common lineage might explain why these two universes are apparently linked. Assuming that was true...one wonders what happens to cause the split?
Right. I mean there's no reason to build the machine in the first place though unless there are already two universes. Right? Does the machine have some other purpose that doesn't include two universes?
I suppose there are many directions they could go with this in the fourth season. Perhaps in the first timeline the machine had another purpose but caused the two universes to be created. Perhaps this is the information located in the missing part of Walter's brain.
And then there's the Watchers, whose existence and plans I assume will be explained in season four. And we still haven't seen alt-Nina (right?), so they could pull something weird out of nowhere with that.
The problem with all that is it gives me the sinking feeling post-LOST that I am depending on them to have it all make sense in the end and that's probably a foolish thing to do. But I do think it's possible to still end with a satisfactory explanation.
But see the paradox eliminates a reason to explain who built it and why--if you follow the paradox loop there is no origin for the machine it just existed--Walter sends it back in 2026, they bury it in the distant past where it remains for millenia, it stays there until the last year when it is unearthed by Walter and the rest of the Fringe team where it is assembled and housed in a government warehouse, it is then activated then disassembled after Peter destroys the alt-universe. As you can see there is no moment in the timeline where the machine was built--hence the closed loop. It is like that scene in VOY's Futures End where Braxton tries to explain things to Janeway.
This is my feeling--it is just going to end up being a mess and we'll hear "well it was always about the characters the plot wasn't the point". If you look at the track record for these type of shows which ones have pulled it off--The X-Files? Nope. Lost? Nope, BSG? Nope. The 4400? Nope. Heroes post S1? Nope. Twin Peaks? Nope. Life on Mars? Not really. Babylon 5 pulled it off. DS9 ended well enough but they weren't these convoluted non linear complicated mythology series--they were easy to follow and relatively straightforward in telling a linear arc.
And the few pay-offs we've seen suggest that again the Fringe writers may not be on the same page as far as expectations and priorities are as their viewers.
If it's something that's going to be addressed, it would be a lot more reassuring to me, the viewer, to have some character ponder the question onscreen. There may not have been time for it in the finale, but it'd be nice at the start of s4 for someone to ask these questions, and it'd certainly fit well with the two Walters talking to each other.
Not to keep picking on LOST, but there were many times when I wondered why characters weren't mentioning things to other characters, and in that case it seems it was to purposefully keep as much as possible shrouded in mystery.
If the machine is sent back to the far past then that past is still shared. alt-Earth didn't need a time rift-we had it for them.
Whatever split the universes occurred sometime prior to the War of 1812, but recent enough in general terms to have a United States in both worlds. I say this because Lincoln (?) in the alt-Earth asked "Who is Andrew Jackson?" when looking at one of our 20s. That timetables it pretty closely.
My toughest part of the episode was Peter ceasing to exist. If so, what was the common ground that led to Walter and Walternate being at odds? And if there is now 2 joined rifts under Liberty Island-who do they think is responsible for creating them. Walter is brilliant enough to hypothesize that there must have been a person who no longer exists that played a part in the unfolding of events. He might even be able to realize it was some form of time traveler. Where they take it from there will be interesting to see.
ed.-Screenrant.com has some spoilers/answers if you want to read their brief article....
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I voted below average. This season started out very strongly but sure fizzled out. So boring and cliche. Soul magnets? Olivia impersonating Leonard Nimoy for several episodes? Entering someone's dreams? And now time travel? Yawn. This show just isn't as interesting to me anymore. Hopefully it will be better next season.
Personally, I liked the Season finale pretty well. The last 3 myth episodes weren't nearly as strong as the first half of the season, nor do they make up for the crappy love triangle or uneven quality in the last half of Season 3, but it's still pretty interesting Sci-Fi.
I gave the finale 8/10 and rank the season about on par with Season 1 and not quite as good as Season 2 overall. Here's hoping for a strong season 4 to wrap up the series! (Or by some miracle, a growth in ratings and another season or 2)
I gave the finale 8/10 and rank the season about on par with Season 1 and not quite as good as Season 2 overall. Here's hoping for a strong season 4 to wrap up the series! (Or by some miracle, a growth in ratings and another season or 2)
