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my sister's neighbor's story

Why didn't the motorcycle-enthusiast's group also go after the county for the poor sign-age? as it seems to be a contributing factor, or at least 'Bob' should sue them.
 
I'm not sure Bob has a case against the people for putting up signs improperly. His injuries were too distant and not really foreseeable. The family of the motorcyclist might have a case, provided you can sue the county.
 
He caused the death of another human being, intentional or not. Some might feel that negative consequences are part-and-parcel of that kind of event. I personally wouldn't expect everything to be hunky dory and just pretend that nothing happened myself...
I'm not sure he did cause the death of another person. As I said originally, this is the story as it was related to me. If it is as it was told, it was not his fault. In other words, he did not make a mistake, so therefore he did not cause the death. You could just as easily make the argument that the death was the fault of the victim because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know all the details, but from what I have heard, Bob didn't break any laws and was exercising caution due to the poor road conditions. Whether he exercised enough caution or not, I suppose, is the question, and the answer determines whether or not it's his fault.
This is a second hand story. How can anyone in this thread think they know whether or not Bob (who probably isn't even called Bob) is repentant or not?

So what do you think, does the motorcycle-enthusiast group owe him anything? Should they reimburse him for what their actions cost him? If not them, should anyone? Or, is this just one of those crappy things that happen to some people in life and it's just a matter of living--in other words it sucks, but to try to fix it would only cause more problems?

Legally? No, it's just one of those crappy things and nothing can be done.
I wasn't asking a legal question at all. If I remember right, you are a lawyer, so you naturally think of everything in a legal framework. I was asking a moral question, regardless of the law.
 
He caused the death of another human being, intentional or not. Some might feel that negative consequences are part-and-parcel of that kind of event. I personally wouldn't expect everything to be hunky dory and just pretend that nothing happened myself...
I'm not sure he did cause the death of another person. As I said originally, this is the story as it was related to me. If it is as it was told, it was not his fault. In other words, he did not make a mistake, so therefore he did not cause the death. You could just as easily make the argument that the death was the fault of the victim because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know all the details, but from what I have heard, Bob didn't break any laws and was exercising caution due to the poor road conditions. Whether he exercised enough caution or not, I suppose, is the question, and the answer determines whether or not it's his fault.
This is a second hand story. How can anyone in this thread think they know whether or not Bob (who probably isn't even called Bob) is repentant or not?

So what do you think, does the motorcycle-enthusiast group owe him anything? Should they reimburse him for what their actions cost him? If not them, should anyone? Or, is this just one of those crappy things that happen to some people in life and it's just a matter of living--in other words it sucks, but to try to fix it would only cause more problems?

Legally? No, it's just one of those crappy things and nothing can be done.
I wasn't asking a legal question at all. If I remember right, you are a lawyer, so you naturally think of everything in a legal framework. I was asking a moral question, regardless of the law.

Would the motorcyclist have died had your friend not been there? That's the question you have to answer. It likely won't be a definite "yes" or "no," but I think you would be hard-pressed to claim he didn't contribute to the man's death, even if he wasn't the proximal cause.
 
I'm not sure Bob has a case against the people for putting up signs improperly. His injuries were too distant and not really foreseeable. The family of the motorcyclist might have a case, provided you can sue the county.

If he was sued by the family he would have a cause of action against them.
 
I wasn't asking a legal question at all. If I remember right, you are a lawyer, so you naturally think of everything in a legal framework. I was asking a moral question, regardless of the law.

In lawschool, yeah. The moral analysis was most of my post, but I did it from a different point of reference. I took the prosecutor's point of view. Clearly there are people who agree with the prosecutor that there was a crime. Some of them were on the jury. The rest of the jury still might have though there was a crime, they just might not have thought the Prosecutor proved his case sufficiently. From this point of view, should the prosecutor have to be punished for doing his job even if the consequence is something bad for someone else?

If he was sued by the family he would have a cause of action against them.

Cause of action against the county? What would it be?
 
I wasn't asking a legal question at all. If I remember right, you are a lawyer, so you naturally think of everything in a legal framework. I was asking a moral question, regardless of the law.

In lawschool, yeah. The moral analysis was most of my post, but I did it from a different point of reference. I took the prosecutor's point of view. Clearly there are people who agree with the prosecutor that there was a crime. Some of them were on the jury. The rest of the jury still might have though there was a crime, they just might not have thought the Prosecutor proved his case sufficiently. From this point of view, should the prosecutor have to be punished for doing his job even if the consequence is something bad for someone else?

If he was sued by the family he would have a cause of action against them.

Cause of action against the county? What would it be?

Cause of action against the county? What would it be?

Well it would depend. Was the county doing the work on the road? Or was it an independent party?

Either way, he may have a claim for indemnification of some kind if they were negligent. Some sort of active/passive action in which if the defendant is found negligent all or most of the damages are the resdponsibility of the other party.
 
Ooh right, good point. I was treating it as some kind of direct negligence in harming him (where I didn't think the negligence could be regarded as the proximate cause). I still don't quite think it's an active/passive situation since he would have had to commit the tort directly. But I at least see where you're going with it.
 
Yeah, these pronouns are getting a bit confusing.

If it had been a mechanic who screwed up and cut his breaks and he's only liable because he had a duty to ensure his car was functioning properly, then I could see it being an active/passive thing and the driver could get it all back from the mechanic were he sued. However, the signs thing is a bit different in my mind. He still drove the car and was not fully aware of his surroundings even if, but for the signs not being there, the accident would not have occurred.
 
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