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You can't believe anything...

Warped9

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This morning I got into a disagreement with my father. I don't know how it even escalated over something so stupid.

I had printed off an article from The Toronto Star regarding the questions surrounding what really happened in regard to the death of Osama bin Laden. The next thing you know there's the statement, "You can't believe anything they say." with the implication that if you do then you're incredibly naive. I replied that if that we're absolutely true then why bother to read newspapers and watch reports and discussions on television? That's when things escalated and I don't even know why.

But setting that aside the question still stands. If one has already made up their mind about something then why continue to read the papers and watch the news? Even as connected as we are, unless we have miraculous access to firsthand information, then why bother otherwise? All we can do is weigh different sources of information, different accounts, opinions, televised accounts, films, books, articles and then try to discern some measure of truth and understanding from that. In the least you should gain some better understanding of how things work in the world and help see through what could otherwise be mere gossip, rumour and misdirection.

Not all information that comes our way and that we have access to can be dismissed as lies and misdirection. You cannot bullshit everyone because you cannot cover everything.

Strangely this ties into something that happened at work recently. A young coworker was dismissed last Monday and the immediate management tried to put a clamp on it. They went around telling most everyone they were not to discuss it. And yet they would not say why this young man was fired. To me this was incredibly shortsighted---what did they think people would do? You cannot order people to shut up and not talk about something about which they have no information, and add to the fact that we're not in a military or government organization. As a consequence rumour and gossip began to spread like wildfire. If they wanted to forestall gossip and rumour then they should just have said, "Whatshisname was dismissed for such cause. Too bad, but thats the way it is." But without any understanding people tried to find clues as to what really happened, if for no other reason beyond some measure of understanding but to avoid making the same mistake this dismissed employee had made.

We all want to understand what's going on around us. It helps us deal with others and helps us navigate our way through the world. In many cases all we have to go on is whatever information comes our way and/or what we're able to learn on our own (assuming you're interested in making the effort). But why bother if you assume everything is meaningless and cannot be trusted?

Yes, most everything in life is not black-and-white and we can learn things that can challenge our preconceptions. But isn't that what learning and understanding is about? And cannot that help us make better decisions in the future?
 
Not all information that comes our way and that we have access to can be dismissed as lies and misdirection. You cannot bullshit everyone because you cannot cover everything.
Didn’t Abraham Lincoln say something like that?

Strangely this ties into something that happened at work recently. A young coworker was dismissed last Monday and the immediate management tried to put a clamp on it. They went around telling most everyone they were not to discuss it. And yet they would not saywhy this young man was fired.
That does seem rather Kafkaesque. What sort of organization do you work for? Or would you have to kill us if you told us?
 
Some folks find security in making facts fit the view. To one degree or another we all do that, I suppose, but some do it and can not acknowledge that the are doing so. I imagine that would describe an ideologue of just about any stripe.

I've had co-workers who were of the conspiracy mold. They were true adepts at doing the above, everything was positive evidence that 'they' were in control of the news, money, industry, politics, everything. Wars, Al Queda and Bin Laden, Stock markets rising and falling, all of it was to ensure 'they' stayed in power and accrued power to 'themselves'. The news services were the last place to trust according to those co-workers.

'They' much like the devil of old is a fine concept to put fears of a large unknown world and one's feelings of impotence to affect or have an effect on. It gives explanation to a very chaotic and messy place were billions of people interact and where untold hosts of unintended consequences come about.
 
You can read the the comments section of pretty much any article for any online newspaper and there's always a significant number of people who think it's all lies. I find it rather disturbing, actually.
 
Well, I don't know how things are done in Canada, but here in the States, between the government (either party) and the media, we are lied to constantly.

You're right. You can't believe anything.
 
I'm quite sure there are lies and spin as well as editorial slant to what is reported. That's why I think it matters that you try to look at as many sides as possible and get information from different sources. Somewhere in there you should get some measure of understanding of the truth.

I also think a knowledge of history is valuable. The old saying those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it is a good bit of wisdom.
 
If one has already made up their mind about something then why continue to read the papers and watch the news?

I agree. It's frustrating when people make up their mind about something before they've seen it but continue to read and comment on every tidbit of information that comes out. What's the point?
 
I'm quite sure there are lies and spin as well as editorial slant to what is reported. That's why I think it matters that you try to look at as many sides as possible and get information from different sources. Somewhere in there you should get some measure of understanding of the truth.

I also think a knowledge of history is valuable. The old saying those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it is a good bit of wisdom.

Good advice. :)
 
I find out all kinds of dirt on the people I work with from who likes to dress up in women's clothes to the married guy who banged a chick in a porta potty at the KY Derby.

I work for the Army and it is terrible at keeping secrets.
 
You can read the the comments section of pretty much any article for any online newspaper and there's always a significant number of people who think it's all lies. I find it rather disturbing, actually.

There's a certain level of evil involved in posting in the comment section of online news articles. Not quite the level of YouTube evil where a harmless video about a wild bunny rabbit hopping around in the grass turns into a flame war by skinheads and the KKK, but still pretty evil.

Usually online news comments become politically charged no matter what the subject is. The Yankees spend the most money in baseball -- Republicans hate the Pirates and Royals. Dollhouse gets canceled -- those damn liberal wimps.
 
I find out all kinds of dirt on the people I work with from who likes to dress up in women's clothes to the married guy who banged a chick in a porta potty at the KY Derby.

Paraphrasing Scotty...

"I like this job. It's exciting!"


Granted, if I knew the people involved it would probably be pretty grotesque, but I couldn't resist.
 
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... To be honest, I have heard of the Green Card Lottery.
 
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