Considering he hasn't backed up a single ludicrous thing he's said except for some "I think's" and "I find it hard to believe's," I wouldn't gamble any money on that.
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Considering he hasn't backed up a single ludicrous thing he's said except for some "I think's" and "I find it hard to believe's," I wouldn't gamble any money on that.
Except Berman blinfolded that bust didn't he over the space pirates thing. Braga said he didn't see the episodes and I'm not aware that GR told anybody not to view TOS. That doesn't even make alot of sense for him to do. It was sort of like taking him down would make a big name for yourself but it only made them smaller. It was a subtle pill (slow poisen) as it were, your Honor. Proof is in the pudding of public appeal. GR had high standards obviously impossible to live up to. (Thus taking him out of the way).
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What on earth are you talking about? Nothing you're saying makes the slightest bit of sense, and you've been asked repeatedly to supply proof for your claims, which you've ignored. Are you even paying attention to what people are telling you?
In that case, I give up.
I'm seeing a lot of behind the scenes anecdotes being taken a tad too far in some cases...
Actually, as irritating as they could be, Roddenberry's infamous memos were taken seriously and respectfully.
While I was interning he sent down several and Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor took them all seriously. Largely they had to do with tone.
There was a huge difference between the Roddenberry of TOS and the one on TNG.
The former was a guy making a TV series and pushing boundaries. The latter was a saint.
I remember one memo in particular that had to do with what Mr. R described as overt sexuality, this time between Riker and Troi. He wanted none of it. Zero. He wanted zero conflict between the members of the TNG Enterprise, instead all conflict would be with and from the outside.
Boring.
That is not the way to tell good stories but, while he was alive, even though they COULD have ignored him, the people making the shows did their best to follow these directives even when they hurt the show. Which they did. You can tell because, after Roddenberry's death, the gloves came off and the series' were all the better for it.
People don't stay on TV series they hate as a rule. They find ways to move to other gigs.
While I was interning he sent down several and Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor took them all seriously. Largely they had to do with tone.
There was a huge difference between the Roddenberry of TOS and the one on TNG.
The former was a guy making a TV series and pushing boundaries. The latter was a saint.
I remember one memo in particular that had to do with what Mr. R described as overt sexuality, this time between Riker and Troi. He wanted none of it. Zero. He wanted zero conflict between the members of the TNG Enterprise, instead all conflict would be with and from the outside.
Boring.
That is not the way to tell good stories but, while he was alive, even though they COULD have ignored him, the people making the shows did their best to follow these directives even when they hurt the show. Which they did. You can tell because, after Roddenberry's death, the gloves came off and the series' were all the better for it.
People don't stay on TV series they hate as a rule. They find ways to move to other gigs.
Thanks for sharing that fact-based first-hand experience. I always like to hear those insights into how things make it to the screen.
Will it be enough to stand up against "hunches" and vague intuitive understandings of the dynamics of television production? I don't know.
Will it be enough to stand up against "hunches" and vague intuitive understandings of the dynamics of television production? I don't know.
Well I think he meant all conflict would come about because of the outside and not from the inside. McCoy and Spock arguing was always due to an outside influence. ie being imprisoned and such. And McCoy was written to be emotional and humerous. TNG didn't have that dynamic. It was more 2001ish.
I don't understand how you've just heard from a guy who actually worked on the show, and was in the same room with the producers, and you're still telling him how it "really" happened.
I understand GR's idea, that by then, 24th C people should be beyond such internal rifts. It's a good idea, I hope it comes true. But wow, does it make for boring TV now. The greatest drama comes form the greatest conflicts, like civil was and family feuds - the shared history only fuelling the rivalry, rather than dampening it.
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That Berman had a blindfold on his bust of Roddenberry is an anecdote mentioned in several interviews and articles over the years. It was true, done in the spirit of a joke by one of the Trek writers.
GR's standards were impossibly high rightly so or wrongly as is and was the case with different approaches, but I'd still like to see only external conflict and not internal ones meaning due to something else they are encountering not how this one feels about that and this one feels about this, convoluted mind twist as it were. Now internal conflict is good when it doesn't come from the rest of the crew, unless it's set up in the character premises. We saw that in abundance with Pike questioning and doubting his Command decisions and even Kirk had his internal conflicts. The dunsel thing hit him hard, etc.. His controversial decisions to defy Starfleet command headquarters and Federation Ambassadors. They were tough decisions he was conflicted about. Luckily he had Spock's brain to calculate the odds down to a millionth percentile to make it a little easier. The lion, Kirk,the scarecrow, McCoy and the tin man - Spock and Dorethy Fontana? but it was Spock obviously who had the most internal conflict being literally being torn between two worlds and philosophies and having to reconcile the two and the whole Vulcan history to Kirk and McCoy.
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Humanity will be dead when there's no internal conflict. What would be the point of everyone thinking the exact same way?
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