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the Guns N' Roses thread

iBender

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What were soo different about Guns N' Roses?

They did it their way.

They were wined and dined by talent scouts from various record labels, and Guns N' Roses only wanted the free food, they already knew which label they wanted (Geffen) but when Geffen came calling, they let Geffen wine them, and dine them, and then signed a contract with them.

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November Rain is one of my favorites. They went all out with the video and I like the orchestral accompaniment in the song.

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Yeah, they definitely had the world by the balls. And one of the, if not THE, biggest crash & burn by a band ever.
 
^I do too.

I love Gn'R. Hopefully they will get another album out before too long, but I'm not holding my breath. At least Chinese Democracy finally saw the light of day.
 
Guns N' Roses is No. 2 on my top 3 list, THe Beatles bieng No. 1. I will say this about this band. I love this band for one. In the late 80s when there was a lot of crappy pop music and hair band G N' R came along to return us to our true Rock N' Roll roots. Looking back now, I apreciate those hair bands and pop songs, but I don't love them. Guns N' Roses gave us a lot of heavy, fast rock at first, but then Use Your Illusion came along and we got a full band. We got blues, punk, clasic rock and a bit of southern rock and a bit of epic orchestra rock, essentually a bit of everything. It was a modern day Rolling Stones or Skynard, but with a little bit of Van Halen and Aerosmith. The music was epic and moving, the lyrics were absolute poetry at times and at other times, completely sinister and offensive. At other times just plain funny. This band embodied the definition of Rock N' Roll. I love it.

Now, we get to the band it's self. While as a band we have a killer front man with a killer, unique voice and an excellent lyricist. We have a Hendrix like guitar god. He plays amazing guitar solo's that are distinct and something that is lacking in music today. Guys like this only come once in a generation it seems. The rest of the band, mm, well. Two drummers that are both equally good in thier own right, a keyboardist that has moved me in so many ways and put me to tears on several ocassions and two very capable rythem guitarists, but I do prefer Izzy becouse he is the original and worked with Slash very well. Duff, well I used to hate Duff, but after Velvet Revolver I've come to really like Duff, he's a good bassist.

Now the fall. As we all know, Axel ose is a complete self involved asshole. He claims rights to the name Guns N' Roses, which is fine, but that's not what makes the band. Axel has suffered from classic lead singer syndrome. Many bands have gone through this, Zepplin, Aerosmith, ect... Many bands have broken up and eventually gotten back together after they said they wouldn't, The Eagles, The Cars, ect.. I think theres enough evidence to suggest The Beatles would have united.Just about every band that has broken up has gotten back together. It would seem that this is the onlky band that can't get over themselves. Most of it is due to Axel , but Slash has had creative issues in the past which I think was unnecessary. The Jury is still out, but I don't think we will see a reunion any time in the next few years. I usedto think if they came back it would be huge and Rock N' Roll would return, but that was a long time ago. If they do return I do think it has potential to be huge.

Now to Chineese Democracy. This album sucked, it is not and will never be considered G N' R to me. I did like maybe 4 or 5 songs, but as a whole it sucked. I do own it, but did not purchase it. I think the song The Blues and Madigascar are the closest thing to Use Your Illusion and I like those songs, but don't love them. I think Axel's voice sounds whiney at times and just weird at others, but there is still a hint of the old Axel in thier. I think in time he could really gain that old voice back. His piano work is still moving and his lyrics are still pretty good. I felt like CD. was a failed attempt at Use Your Illusion 3. Had slash and the others been there I definately belkieve it could have been a good album maybe on the level of Lies. Not great, but pretty good.

So there yoiu have it, those are my thoughts on this band. I could add more, but this is a good beggining.
 
You think Lies is better than Chinese Democracy :wtf:

I doubt there will be a reunion, even though Axl has patched things up with Duff. Izzy has played with the new band as well. I think I remember reading somewhere that he and Slash had talked through a few things as well. I think at this point a reunion wouldn't really be fair to the new band.
 
You think Lies is better than Chinese Democracy :wtf:

I doubt there will be a reunion, even though Axl has patched things up with Duff. Izzy has played with the new band as well. I think I remember reading somewhere that he and Slash had talked through a few things as well. I think at this point a reunion wouldn't really be fair to the new band.

Yes, yes I do, Chineese Democracy completely sucked. You can't just use the name and say this is Guns N' Roses. What if Mick Jagger got rid of all of the members of the Stones and still called the band The Rolling Stones. The band is the band as it existed in it's prime. So isit fair to the new band, no, but fuck them, it's not Guns N' Roses. That band has changed members so many times and as far as I know, doesen't even really exist at this point. I think it would be totally fair to the fans to give them the band the know and love.
 
The Use Your Illusionband wasn't the same as the Appetite/Lies band, and the The Spaghetti Incident? band wasn't the same as the UYI one, and even the Oh, My God band wasn't the same as the TSI? band so it's not like it was a constant line-up throughout their career.

Axl can use the name and say it is Guns N' Roses because it is. Most of the members quit (albeit perhaps partly due to some of Axl's actions), so what should he have done, just shelve the name and start again? Why should he have to? For better or for worse he owns the rights to the name so he's perfectly entitled to use it.

And the band does exist, they've been touring a load since Chinese Democracy came out.
 
The Use Your Illusionband wasn't the same as the Appetite/Lies band, and the The Spaghetti Incident? band wasn't the same as the UYI one, and even the Oh, My God band wasn't the same as the TSI? band so it's not like it was a constant line-up throughout their career.

Axl can use the name and say it is Guns N' Roses because it is. Most of the members quit (albeit perhaps partly due to some of Axl's actions), so what should he have done, just shelve the name and start again? Why should he have to? For better or for worse he owns the rights to the name so he's perfectly entitled to use it.

And the band does exist, they've been touring a load since Chinese Democracy came out.

The Use Your Illusion band was the same for quite a while and maybe they collectively decided to replace Steven Adler and Izzy left to persue his own thing, but the core members were still there. Izzy did come back at some point. The Spaghetti incident was the same band as the UYI band. Anyway they weren't really active when that album came out. The three members that remained constant were Duff Axl and Slash, Matt Sorum was a remainding member for the majority of the time as well. Just because Axl retains the name, doesn't mean shit to me. Could you have The Beatles with only John Lennon and three other guys? Could you have Zepplin with just Robert plant? Could you have the Jackson five with only Michael and four other white guys? The answer is no. A band is not a name, its a group of individuals who were friends and had a dream together, they saw that dream come true. They worked together and created great music, great art. If you don't see that , then I can't help you. If you think you can just replace everyone at your own will and still retain the name and milk that name for all you can and that's the band. I can't help you with that either. Yeah Bono could kick out all of the other guys from U2 and get a new line up and call it U2, but is it really U2 or just a name? Yeah single members of bands have been replaced, Bonn Scott, Lane taley, but they died and it was done with respect and dignity. What Axl has done is bullshit.
 
Most of the members quit (albeit perhaps partly due to some of Axl's actions), so what should he have done, just shelve the name and start again?

Yes, it's what everyone else in GnR did.

When every member of a band leaves except for one person, it's called the band broke the fuck up. I think Axel is a genius and I love GnR, but the only reason he holds onto the name is for the revenue.
 
Most of the members quit (albeit perhaps partly due to some of Axl's actions), so what should he have done, just shelve the name and start again?

Yes, it's what everyone else in GnR did.

When every member of a band leaves except for one person, it's called the band broke the fuck up. I think Axel is a genius and I love GnR, but the only reason he holds onto the name is for the revenue.

Agreed.

And the thing is, this is one of those deals where the longer and harder he hangs onto that name, the less and less likely it will be for them to reconcile and get back together. The rest of them are gonna continue to be pissed off with him (and rightfully so) if he continues to pretend that HE 'made' that band all on his own and is entitled to slap together any group of musicians he likes and call them GnR. Axl can CALL them anything he likes...but the rest of the 'real' members of GnR, as well as all of us fans, will know that anything Axl puts together in this current climate is not GnR. It's Axl and His Hangers-on.

Axl really needs to get over himself, or a lot of fans, myself included, are going to forever blame HIM for breaking up one of the best 80's bands out there.

They CAN learn to work and play well with others. I mean, if Glenn Frey and Done Henley can do it...if Chris Cornell and the other members of Soundgarden can do it....ANYONE can do it. Shoot...in the days approaching Soundgarden's breakup, they nearly had a couple of on-stage fist fights. :lol: It was ugly. And now...here they are, learning to work together for the fans.

Axl just needs to dial back the ego and remember that GnR toegher is better than the individual parts.
 
I don't really agree, IMO the only GnR album that is better than Chinese Democracy is Appetite.

Slash is a fine guitarist, great for a band like VR, but Axl has taken his music to a level of sophistication that Slash simply can't perform at. I can't imagine Axl would want to go back to having the guitar work at Slash's level of ability.
 
^The ex members of Guns N' Roses aren't pissed of with Axl. Izzy has played with the new band, Duff has played with the new band, Gilby and Axl reconciled, it's only really Slash and Axl that have any remaining animosity. I think even Steven has said he's over what happened.

Axl owns the rights to Guns N' Roses. The others chose to leave the band. The band didn't 'break the fuck up', they all left at staggered intervals and for different reasons. It's not as if they all walked out on Axl and then he went and got a load of replacements all at once.

It's not the same Guns N' Roses as before, but I've enjoyed what they've put out. Slash's last solo album was great, Duff's doing his own thing, seems like they've all moved on.
 
Revenue seems like a pretty good reason to hold on to the name to me.

He legally owns it, I don't understand why people would begrudge him using the name he has used for almost his entire career. It can't have escaped anyone's notice that even though it was a commercial disappointment and doesn't feature any original members but Axl, Chinese Democracy has out sold Slash's solo album, and every Slash's Snakepit album combined. Of course he wants to use the name, and so he should.
 
A lot of people do seem to slag off "new" GnR I suppose. I can't say I ever saw the "classic" band live, but all I know is I saw them last year when they headlined Leeds Fest in late August 2010, and they were fucking awesome!


I also happened to catch a tribute band a few months ago called 'Guns 4 Hire', and they were simply uncanny. The lead singer just was Axl Rose! They probably only play around Europe, but if you ever get a chance to see them and are a GnR fan it is well worth it
 
I don't really agree, IMO the only GnR album that is better than Chinese Democracy is Appetite.

Slash is a fine guitarist, great for a band like VR, but Axl has taken his music to a level of sophistication that Slash simply can't perform at. I can't imagine Axl would want to go back to having the guitar work at Slash's level of ability.

We are talking about the same band right? Chineese Democracy is better than UYI 2, this must be Bizzaro world.
 
I went to GNR's Chinese Democracy tour in Calgary about 18 months ago and thought they were still awesome!
 
I don't really agree, IMO the only GnR album that is better than Chinese Democracy is Appetite.

Slash is a fine guitarist, great for a band like VR, but Axl has taken his music to a level of sophistication that Slash simply can't perform at. I can't imagine Axl would want to go back to having the guitar work at Slash's level of ability.

We are talking about the same band right? Chineese Democracy is better than UYI 2, this must be Bizzaro world.

Yep, the UYI albums are 50% boring filler. They would have made a decent single disc album.
 
I am not saying that the new band cannot be awesome. Of course they can be.

But for me, regardless of what Axl calls them, they are not GnR. They are 'Axl's new band'. Which might be a very good band....but I'm not all that sure I'm interested in following them. Axl's ego was really beginning to wear on me anyway...so it seems as good a time as any for me to move on.

I did the same thing with Van Halen a while back. They were once a good band - back in the 80's, one of my favorites. But at a certain point a while back, the drama factor just got to be too much - the comings, the goings, and especially the egos. After a while, it was just 'meh'.
 
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