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Action Comics #900 Discussion

^ No you're not. "Grounded" started off as a sound concept but not as a year long arc. I've not been a fan of the memory riddled Wonder Woman either but that seems like it is coming to some kind of conclusion. Diana's "met" Clark and Bruce now as well as other heroes and Max Lord has sent Omac Prime to kill her.


You're also making the point that I've been trying to make about this revoking business. It's unknown where this story fits into continuity or if it even does.
 
Yeah these stories might have been alright as only 6 issues, but a year long story?!

And WW's involvement in "Generation Lost" just seems completely out of place with the story in her own mag.
 
^ Which has been the problem with DC's tie-in issues lately. They all seem out of whack with one another due to various delays and other issues.
 
Broccoli said:
Admiral_Young said:
Yeah I've already expressed my views on that...don't think it's a big deal at all. Back up story that got picked up by comic book websites and went viral. If anything this will be used in "Superman" rather than in "Action Comics".
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Which would be hilarious since Superman is trying to reconnect with American in Superman. I have to think this is an out-of-continuity story given how offhandedly it is portrayed.
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I don't know, it makes sense to me. If I had to walk across small-town America in stories written by J. Michael Straczynski I think I'd do a lot more than just give up my citizenship.

Anyway, I'm trade-waiting for this bad boy. Got the first part in HC the other day (maybe there's a TPB, but that is what the shop had). Seriously pretty... good ranging to great. The Death issue being the great.

I thought it was a little weird that she didn't give very much of a shit about the Black Lanterns, when in Season of Mists she was about as close as she ever got to throwing a fit over the prisoners of Hell being released back on Earth--but of course that story's hard to square with the DCU or even subsequent Sandman stories given that it seems it would have destroyed society pretty damn thoroughly. It was cute as all hell, anyway, and obviously my favorite issue from the run.

The omission of the Secret Six issue from the HC is kind of stupid, but I had that already because S6 is the hotness.

Is there some backstory I don't know about regarding Robot Lois? Because while Sexbot Lois is more entertaining than Non-Sex Non-Bot Lois, and I wouldn't mind a Sexbot Lois myself, it's still kinda damn creepy.

All in all, my favorite Luthor's still Alex.
 
Android Lois was created to serve as Lex's conscience using advanced Brainiac technology. Obviously this was created to touch on Lex's ongoing fondness and attraction for the real Lois Lane. I'm not sure what you mean by backstory. She doesn't really have any other than what's been shown in the run. I'm very much looking forward to the second year arc to see what Cornell does with Clark.

By the way...I should clarify that I'm not against Superman revoking his citizenship and I understand fans who would be upset about that, my problem is the coverage of this "news" and the context in which it has been reported. That's all.
 
Myasishchev said:
I thought it was a little weird that she didn't give very much of a shit about the Black Lanterns, when in Season of Mists she was about as close as she ever got to throwing a fit over the prisoners of Hell being released back on Earth
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Black Lanterns aren't real people, they are just reanimated corpses with downloaded memories, the "soul" isn't there.
 
Admiral_Young said:
By the way...I should clarify that I'm not against Superman revoking his citizenship and I understand fans who would be upset about that, my problem is the coverage of this "news" and the context in which it has been reported. That's all.
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Yeah, agreed. Whenever mainstream "news" outlets cover comics they usually either have a condescending attitude or they just plain get the facts wrong.
 
One doesn't imagine that as Superman he has much documentation anyway - no social security number, no birth certificate, no voter registration.

I mean, Clark can't vote as himself and then vote again as Superman, can he? That would be wrong. :lol:

Back in the 1950s they did a story where the IRS went after Supes for never filing a return. Seriously.
 
Jonathon and Martha forged papers or somesuch. I believe in "Smallville" Jonathon was able to get Lionel Luthor to get Clark's papers done as stated in Season Seven.
 
I can't remember about Superman. I'm sure Batman was involved somehow ;) I honestly don't know. I'm sure if you googled it you could find out how he was recognized as a US citizen.
 
Dennis said:
That's fine for Clark, but what about Supes?
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Admiral_Young said:
I can't remember about Superman. I'm sure Batman was involved somehow ;) I honestly don't know. I'm sure if you googled it you could find out how he was recognized as a US citizen.
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I think there was an Armegeddon Annual in, I do believe that it was Adventures of ... , that Superman and not Clark ran for President. The big hubaloo from his opponent was that he was an "alien from outer space". During deliberations, Congress eventually came to the conclusion that, since he was actually "born" when he emerged from the birthing chamber on American soil, He indeed was a "born-citizen".
 
Superman renouncing his citizenship...yuck. I'm sure DC Comics considers that their finest moment. Anything for them to distance the character from America.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Superman is a hero for everyone. But it's always been Truth, Justice, and the American Way. I'm tired of the American aspects of characters being flushed out. GI Joe becomes a NATO force in Belgium, patriotism is flushed out the door in the upcoming Captain America movie, and now Superman renounces his citizenship. Who thought these were brilliant ideas?

And the fact they have Superman going to the United Nations and renouncing his U.S. citizenship is an even bigger joke. I thought it was Marvel that had the bizarre fascination with the UN but apparently so does DC Comics. Marvel treats the UN like it's this noble, important organization when it's one of the most corrupt and ineffectual organizations on the planet. If Superman really wanted to make the world a better place, he would have most of the people at the UN sent to the Phantom Zone. I mean, seriously, what's next? Superman is going to wear a UN helmet and start attacking civilians?
 
DarthPipes said:
Superman renouncing his citizenship...yuck. I'm sure DC Comics considers that their finest moment. Anything for them to distance the character from America.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Superman is a hero for everyone. But it's always been Truth, Justice, and the American Way. I'm tired of the American aspects of characters being flushed out. GI Joe becomes a NATO force in Belgium, patriotism is flushed out the door in the upcoming Captain America movie, and now Superman renounces his citizenship. Who thought these were brilliant ideas?

And the fact they have Superman going to the United Nations and renouncing his U.S. citizenship is an even bigger joke. I thought it was Marvel that had the bizarre fascination with the UN but apparently so does DC Comics. Marvel treats the UN like it's this noble, important organization when it's one of the most corrupt and ineffectual organizations on the planet. If Superman really wanted to make the world a better place, he would have most of the people at the UN sent to the Phantom Zone. I mean, seriously, what's next? Superman is going to wear a UN helmet and start attacking civilians?
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Perhaps who thought of the "idea" just ABSOLUTELY loved the "Quest For Peace"?!?!? :guffaw:
 
Again this was a David Goyer written back up story which may or may not have ramifications in actual continuity. Until it does, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
DarthPipes said:
And the fact they have Superman going to the United Nations and renouncing his U.S. citizenship is an even bigger joke. I thought it was Marvel that had the bizarre fascination with the UN but apparently so does DC Comics. Marvel treats the UN like it's this noble, important organization when it's one of the most corrupt and ineffectual organizations on the planet.
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What's up, John Birch? How those ChiComs treating you?

The fact is, inventing gods and saying they care more about one country than another is an ugly thing. That's what stupid pagans who don't know how the sun sets do. That's the corner superhero comics backed themselves into because we were stupid pagans like everyone else back in the 1940s. They deserve credit for trying to hack their way back out.
 
Just because the United Nations is a corrupt, ineffectual organization in reality, doesn't mean that it needs to be in fiction ;)
 
I want to correct myself: we weren't as stupid as everyone else back in the 1940s. I mean, we didn't put anyone in camps.

Well, death camps, right?

Does anyone else remember an old 40s Superman short--the one where he beat up Hitler and Stalin?

I really liked that one.

He talked a lot about freedom in that, but I'm not sure he mentioned America. Which was good--because right then, the American way wasn't to fight Hitler or Stalin. We never fought Stalin, except maybe you can make a case for Korea.

Superman fights for truth and justice. I can only hope that the next step after abandoning the pretense of being bound by America's physical and legal limitations is to abandon the idea that Superman would permit any dictator to function on his watch.

Edit: quick question about AC 900--do police riot shields in Iran really say "POLICE" on them? In Latin script? In English? I'm sort of guessing they don't, but I'll admit I've never been to a riot in Iran.
 
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