Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen

[Servo]

You may also notice, from the lines you bolded, that they used the words "possibility" and "may". Again, there is no evidence that credit card details have been stolen, and Sony are advising that you keep an eye on your bank/credit card accounts just in case.
It should also be noted that Sony do not store the 3-digit security code from the back of your card that is required by most places to authorise a purchase or payment.

Anything else you'd care to get wrong?

 

[Trekker4747]

You may also notice, from the lines you bolded, that they used the words "possibility" and "may". Again, there is no evidence that credit card details have been stolen, and Sony are advising that you keep an eye on your bank/credit card accounts just in case.
It should also be noted that Sony do not store the 3-digit security code from the back of your card that is required by most places to authorise a purchase or payment.

Anything else you'd care to get wrong?

"Possibly" and "may" is still too much.

And, no, the CVV code was not taken and, again, "most" isn't the same thing as "all." There's still places out there that do not require the CVV code.

 

[Chaos Descending]

I put my money in a bank that I trust. That bank is robbed. Turns out it was robbed because the bank was practicing good safety features consistent with the industry. The bank deserves blame too.

I don't get it.

Did you mean, "Turns out it was robbed because the bank was NOT practicing good safety features consistent with the industry."

 

[Trekker4747]

I put my money in a bank that I trust. That bank is robbed. Turns out it was robbed because the bank was practicing good safety features consistent with the industry. The bank deserves blame too.

I don't get it.

Did you mean, "Turns out it was robbed because the bank was NOT practicing good safety features consistent with the industry."

Yep.

Sorry.

Fixed.

 

[Servo]

You may also notice, from the lines you bolded, that they used the words "possibility" and "may". Again, there is no evidence that credit card details have been stolen, and Sony are advising that you keep an eye on your bank/credit card accounts just in case.
It should also be noted that Sony do not store the 3-digit security code from the back of your card that is required by most places to authorise a purchase or payment.

Anything else you'd care to get wrong?

"Possibly" and "may" is still too much.

And, no, the CVV code was not taken and, again, "most" isn't the same thing as "all." There's still places out there that do not require the CVV code.

There's no evidence that CC details have been compromised. If you want to interpret Sony's reasonable precautions as a reason to panic, then feel free. I'll just go ahead and interpret your posts as a reason to think you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and you're just panicking like a sheep 'cause "teh internetz" told you to.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm not panicking. I'm just saying Sony's mismanagement of their network has caused a potential security breech for millions of people. The only thing about me they would've gotten is personal info, I've never entered my CCN into PSN so I'm in the clear. My personal information, however, is not and if I HAD had my CCN in there it may have been compromised too to the point where to be "better safe than sorry" I'd be required to change my CCN which would also involve changing multiple accounts I have across the internet to ensure smooth operation.

It's a massive misstep on Sony's part what happened here and it's inconveniencing millions of people's lives in some way or other and I'd even argue Sony is not doing enough to inform people about what has happened or potentially happened.

But, hey, at least the next version of PSN will likely have cross-game video chat so, Yay!

 

[Servo]

It's a massive misstep on Sony's part what happened here and it's inconveniencing millions of people's lives in some way or other...

No-one's claiming this isn't a bit of a balls-up, but more is being made out of it than needs to be. There is no proof that CC details have been stolen, and from what I'm reading, the information was encrypted anyway.

...and I'd even argue Sony is not doing enough to inform people about what has happened or potentially happened.

Then your argument would be wrong.

But, hey, at least the next version of PSN will likely have cross-game video chat so, Yay!

I know, awesome isn't it?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I'll just go ahead and interpret your posts as a reason to think you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and you're just panicking like a sheep 'cause "teh internetz" told you to.

Let's try not to cross the line into insults, please.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I did post a link in my last post to an interview with an Australian PlayStation user who has had been a subject of credit card fraud. He believes that his details were stolen from Sony (though I am not sure how he could prove it).

 

[Timby]

I did post a link in my last post to an interview with an Australian PlayStation user who has had been a subject of credit card fraud. He believes that his details were stolen from Sony (though I am not sure how he could prove it).

Anecdotal evidence is the best evidence.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Re: Sony admits utter PSN failure:

My point was to ask how can it be proved or disproved that anyone got credit card numbers from Sony? This guy says that $2000 was run up on his card just after customer details were stolen from Sony but before they informed anyone about it. He is suspicious that whoever did it might have stolen the card details from Sony. IMO his suspicions are understandable and it is possible that his suspicions might be right.

 

[Servo]

Re: Sony admits utter PSN failure:

My point was to ask how can it be proved or disproved that anyone got credit card numbers from Sony? This guy says that $2000 was run up on his card just after customer details were stolen from Sony but before they informed anyone about it. He is suspicious that whoever did it might have stolen the card details from Sony. IMO his suspicions are understandable and it is possible that his suspicions might be right.

Suspicions aren't proof. Like he's going to tell the news people who are giving him his 2 minutes of fame that someone may have got his details from somewhere else. One Aussie drongo having his CC compromised doesn't mean that everyone's CC details were stolen from PSN.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Of course it doesn't.

However if Sony had warned people as soon as their security was breached it iwould be less likely that the guy could said that the fraudster might have got his credit card details from Sony. Sony should have warned people as soon as possible that their CC details might be at risk.

However even if the CC details were stolen from Sony I think that this guy is stupid for not using a credit card with a lower limit on it when buying online. I use a debit card that is linked to a bank account that I don't keep much money in and my limit is only $500 a day. If someone got my details they would be lucky to get $100 out of the account. It is also the reason why my sons use prepaid cards for their XBox account.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Is it confirmed that Sony's info was encrypted at all?

 

[Trekker4747]

By law the CC# information has to be encrypted.

 

[Servo]

Of course it doesn't.

However if Sony had warned people as soon as their security was breached it iwould be less likely that the guy could said that the fraudster might have got his credit card details from Sony. Sony should have warned people as soon as possible that their CC details might be at risk.

They informed people as soon as they found out that data had been compromised. They discovered the extent of the breach on Monday morning, and had released a statement to let people know by Monday afternoon. What more do people want? They may be a big company, but they're not clairvoyant.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I was going by what the OP said - that it took them almost a week to inform people that data had been stolen. Putting up a message that states "Playstation Network is undergoing maintenance" when you know that there has been a breach of security is not good enough.

 

[Servo]

I was going by what the OP said - that it took them almost a week to inform people that data had been stolen. Putting up a message that states "Playstation Network is undergoing maintenance" when you know that there has been a breach of security is not good enough.

And since the OP posted that there have been several linked articles in here, and in the Gaming forum, explaining what happened, and which point out that Sony (with the help of outside security experts) didn't find out about user data being compromised until Monday. So no, they didn't wait a week to inform people, they did it as soon as they found out.

Try not to base your information solely on the first post in a thread on a Star Trek message board.

 

[bigdaddy]

Sony is just covering their asses now.

Don't worry, someone now owns all your info and Sony will settle and everyone will get a $10 gift card. Just like when someone spills oil, it's just cheaper to pay the fines / lawsuits than it is to do it right.

 

[Servo]

Like I said on Twitter, they can have my identity. Maybe they'll do a better job with it than I did.