details on Singer's Trek pitch
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Cake! Bring on the cake!
the cake is a lie.
Well, I don't have cake, but I'm eating a marshmallow (marshmelon?) bunny right now. Mmm.
I'm in space!
I forwarded your thoughts on the non-existence of objective quality standards to Emerson and they agreed to close down. No use providing an education if there's no way to grade.
What's our objective here again?
Wrong. That is a misconception. He was respected in the highest art circles at the time.
Also, can we not compare people to becoming Vincent Van Gogh? How about George Lu... Ok forget it.
"I can't change the fact that my paintings don't sell. But the time will come when people will recognize that they are worth more than the value of the paints used in the picture."
— Vincent van Gogh
"In spite of everything, I shall rise again; I will take up my pencil, which I have forsaken in my great discouragement, and I will go on with my drawing."
— Vincent van Gogh
"What am I in the eyes of most people — a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person — somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then — even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart. That is my ambition, based less on resentment than on love in spite of everything, based more on a feeling of serenity than on passion. Though I am often in the depths of misery, there is still calmness, pure harmony and music inside me."
— Vincent van Gogh
Van Gogh's peers, many of them great artists, did respect his work and his theories and his family, particularly his wife and his brother Theo, supported him financially throughout his adult life. Had he been popular during that life, as prolific as he was, he wouldn't have needed their help. He did shows with some of his peers and, while many of them ascended, he remained obscure and unappreciated right up until the moment of his death.
AFTER his death (and Theo's who had nearly every piece his brother had ever done. again, not really possible had he been a successful artist, well-resepcted, etc) his wife made it her business to bring his art to the world. Van Gogh died thinking he was a failure.
The use of Van Gogh's life as an example of the mercurial nature of "objective" standards (that's called an oxymoron for the kids in the back row; nothing can be both objective and mercurial.) is apt. Which is why I used it in this silly, silly "debate" with people who literally have no idea what they're talking about.
PLEASE. If you're trying to take someone to school, you have to know the subject you mean to discuss. If you don't, learn to be still.
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"Well respected" and "successful in his lifetime" are two completely different things, and often times mutually exclusive.
"30 Rock" is very well respected, yet continually trails in the ratings, while the typical reality show is continually mocked by just about anyone and everyone with a functioning cerebral cortex, yet beats the nearest competition night after night.
It should also be noted that Vincent Van Gogh was clinically depressed and eventually had a psychotic break, cutting off a piece of his ear and eventually committing suicide, and therefore is probably not the best judge of just where he stood with his peers. It's possible that a big reason why he never sold a painting in his lifetime is because he scared the bejeezus out of any potential buyers.
"30 Rock" is very well respected, yet continually trails in the ratings, while the typical reality show is continually mocked by just about anyone and everyone with a functioning cerebral cortex, yet beats the nearest competition night after night.
It should also be noted that Vincent Van Gogh was clinically depressed and eventually had a psychotic break, cutting off a piece of his ear and eventually committing suicide, and therefore is probably not the best judge of just where he stood with his peers. It's possible that a big reason why he never sold a painting in his lifetime is because he scared the bejeezus out of any potential buyers.
How did this thread devolve into discussing Van Gough?
Yeah, that could be a reasonable argument if you were making it to someone who knew absolutely nothing about his life. Find someone like that, make that argument and let us know how it goes.
Anybody else feeling better about this pitch not going anywhere? I sure am.
Oh, boo hoo.
No one's saying you have to like "nuTrek." Everyone is absolutely entitled to hate it if they wish. Absolutely. But as nearly everyone who sees it loves it, you're not going to get very far claiming it is fundamentally and "objectively" substandard, much less crap on a stick.
1) There's no such thing as an objective opinion of Art
2) you're the odd ones out as you're in a tiny tiny minority of people who did not enjoy the new take on the old dog. Deal with it.
3) Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but they are not entitled to their own facts. We all get the same set of those.
The only sticking point is when people start claiming their dislike of the the thing is based upon anything more substantial than their personal taste. You don't like how this conversation went, blame your own intractable myopic viewpoint.
^^ You're a pleasant guy. 
I suggest you try an experiment. The next time you submit a script, write it in crayon on the back of grocery bags-- with a cover note reminding the studio that there's no such thing as objective quality standards.
Adios, kids. I'm off to read a book. Enjoy your Hollywood drivel.
I suggest you try an experiment. The next time you submit a script, write it in crayon on the back of grocery bags-- with a cover note reminding the studio that there's no such thing as objective quality standards.
Adios, kids. I'm off to read a book. Enjoy your Hollywood drivel.
^^ You're a pleasant guy.
I suggest you try an experiment. The next time you submit a script, write it in crayon on the back of grocery bags-- with a cover note reminding the studio that there's no such thing as objective quality standards.
Adios, kids. I'm off to read a book. Enjoy your Hollywood drivel.
So young. So angry. Damn that rap music.
Um correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will)...didn't the reports that revealed the pitch state that it wasn't actually pitched? I really don't see the need for all this hostility in this thread. We're not going to see this on screen.
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