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Are you having/will you have a net positive effect on humanity?

Thread title question. Go.

  • Yes, I'm having a net positive effect... and here's how (below)

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Not there yet, but I'm either getting there or trying to think something up...

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess.

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • No, but I'm powerless to change that/don't know what I could do.

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Eh, the species and its future ain't my problem. Apres moi, la deluge.

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21
I don't want to come across as an ungrateful little bastard here (because I've had more opportunities than a lot of people get), but I'm very concerned about this topic at present. I really want to get to work; sure, I've done voluntary stuff, but I've never actually had genuine (paid) work. That needs to change - I don't want another three-five years of loans and education.
Your attitude, IMHO, is only the least unreasonable one in the world. Yes, there are volunteering opportunities, some of which provide room and board (which, in many developing countries, of course ain't much), but our first-world, high-cost education systems aren't geared towards sending us into that kind of work, debts- and sociability-wise and a lot of it is darned menial. I think there are lots of us all facing the same issue. Don't suppose you'd be interested in a bit of military service yourself? ;)

I'd be the most useless military applicant ever! :lol: I know myself well enough to know that the military and I would not play nicely together. ;) My mind simply isn't suited for it, even in its many varied support roles. My grandfather loved the military, but it's not for me.

It is of course good to know that plenty of others understand and share my frustrations. I'll have to get back to you in a couple of months when the fun really begins (because university will be over).:) I tend to think that part of the problem is that I just think a bit differently to the basic model by which society works...

As might be clear by now, I understand real world finance and the job market about as well as squirrels understand higher mathematics.
 
I just don't happen to share his feelings of needing to do good with my life, my life is quite full and I have no feelings of concern over not contributing to the future. We are at different life stages and our make up is no doubt quite different as well. Saying I don't feel like DN isn't a judgment about DN's feelings, it's just context to my comments.
I know; I'm trying to draw you out here. Could one not postulate a moral imperative to attempt to improve the lot of humanity on some level? ;)
 
Is there an equivalent of the Peace Corp that UK citizens can join? You need a degree to join the Peace Corp and they actually pay you to go somewhere and do stuff for a year or two. I had relatives that did that.

There are equivalents, but from what I've looked at they want around a minimum of five years post-qualification experience, which of course still leaves me with the question of how and where I'm going to get the needed experience - and I'm not sure I want to dedicate myself to working for years towards something that I'm not actually sure I want to do. Again, the biggest problem is that everything seems so dependent now upon the idea that you'll have a clear ambition and you'll spend your working life zipping along a straight arrow aimed at some certain end. These qualifications, this job getting how many years experience, more qualifications, all aimed at working up to this one role you've spent a whole working life aiming for. But that's not me, so I'm sort of lost....

I appreciate your suggestions, teacake. :)
 
DN maybe you need to aim only for money for a couple years with the idea of paying off your loans, saving something, having a job to write on future resumes and exploring your options. You don't need it all figured out when you pop out of university. You could do small level volunteer stuff while working. Finishing university puts you in a transitional period of your life, even those that think they have a clear route forward get surprised by not liking what they are doing OR feeling trapped. Being transitional is place of strength really because it is a place of exploring options.
 
^ Yeah, our educational system / overall societal complex is not geared to a Great Recession world. :razz:


Could one not postulate a moral imperative to attempt to improve the lot of humanity on some level? ;)

Whut?
Didn't Spock himself say so, in Wrath of Kahn? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the teacake?" :p

And yet Spock died for me.

Oh wait..
 
DN maybe you need to aim only for money for a couple years with the idea of paying off your loans, saving something, having a job to write on future resumes and exploring your options. You don't need it all figured out when you pop out of university. You could do small level volunteer stuff while working. Finishing university puts you in a transitional period of your life, even those that think they have a clear route forward get surprised by not liking what they are doing OR feeling trapped. Being transitional is place of strength really because it is a place of exploring options.

That sounds like good advice. :) Yes, I imagine I'll be looking for simply "a job" to get some money and pay off the loans, at least at first. And no doubt I'll still be here at my mother's for a while.

I just don't want to end up stuck in a rut, which is always a danger with me, and I worry that I'll never get beyond the "doing this job because I need money" stage, not actually make use of my skills and positive traits as I should. Not living up to my potential.

Still, I think I've aired my concerns enough. I don't want to moan on about it all night ;).
 
Aye, if you can find a decent job these days, more power to ya.


Now, anyone else? Looking for perspectives on effects on humanity here, step right up... :)
 
I don't give two hoots about my net impact on humanity; I live the way I do because I enjoy it.

Having said that, I'm hubristic enough to say that despite my disinterest, I believe that I still have a net beneficial effect on the general aggregate of human knowledge and achievement, albeit on a fairly small scale. This is a beneficial side-effect of my life, rather that its raison d'etre.

As a quick aside to Nasat: having selfless ideals is not incompatible with taking life by the scruff of the neck; just ask the founder of any charity you care to name! Using your ideals as a reason not to take active charge of your own destiny does them a disservice. Even (especially!) if you want to change the world, you need to be able to live well in its current incarnation. That requires making, and taking responsibility for, your own choices.

A sense of entitlement without a desire to have to choose outcomes to fulfil that sense (pretty much your current self-reported situation, in a nutshell) is tremendously disempowering and will lead you into a pretty unhappy rut if you're not careful. Choose to choose, as someone more pithy with words than I, might say.
 
Now, anyone else? Looking for perspectives on effects on humanity here, step right up... :)

Okay I'll add something. I'm not very concerned with what kind of effect I'll have after I die, because that will be negligible or nonexistent. I do try to have a general positive effect now, in life. I think life's pretty damn hard for a lot of people so I try to make it a little easier or more fun for the people I meet. This isn't some personal philosophy or something, I think it just explains the way I behave a lot of the time.
 
As a quick aside to Nasat: having selfless ideals is not incompatible with taking life by the scruff of the neck; just ask the founder of any charity you care to name! Using your ideals as a reason not to take active charge of your own destiny does them a disservice. Even (especially!) if you want to change the world, you need to be able to live well in its current incarnation. That requires making, and taking responsibility for, your own choices.

A sense of entitlement without a desire to have to choose outcomes to fulfil that sense (pretty much your current self-reported situation, in a nutshell) is tremendously disempowering.

Thanks for the advice, Holdfast. :) I do acknowledge that there's a disconnect between the way I seem to "expect" things to work, or believe they should, and how they actually do. Unfortunately, I'm not geared towards asserting myself or taking control of a situation - I'm a natural subordinate, not a leader; more than this, I have practically no ambition. And I'm not sure my sense of what matters in terms of self-respect and self-discovery matches most people's idea of what is "empowering".

I'll work hard and make decisions as to where I'll apply myself, but when it reaches a certain point I'm looking for someone to assign me a position and, unless I'm really put-off by it, I'll slot in. It needs to be a position that makes good use of what I have to offer, though. And I won't take a position where I'm truly unhappy unless it's an emergency, and then only temporarily. But, basically, a working life where I have to make all the choices isn't one I'm comfortable with.

I'm not saying I think what you said is wrong - I think it's wise, but it wouldn't work for me. It's a outlook I often think it might be nice to have, but it's not one I'm geared for. In a world where the individual has to shove forward under their own power of ambition, or their own desire, their own drive, I won't go very far. But I have traits and skills and ideas and work ethics that would be useful...surely it is wise for some of those more equipped for the world as it exists now to turn and take me in, so as to make use of these, and so benefit the whole, and themselves?

I mean, I'm practically begging to be used here, but it seems humanity doesn't want to. Exploit me, dammit! :lol: I don't see the sense in letting potentially useful resources go to waste. I know most people have moral or intellectual objections to a mindset of passive "make use of me" rather than active "I'm going to forge my own destiny" - and I certainly respect that - but surely that mindset isn't the primary criterion? If I walk in the door and make myself known, I need someone there who is willing to consider whether or not I could be of use. And I'm not foolish, I understand all too well the myriad ways in which my vision of what's best for me doesn't match up to how the system works. But that system and I just don't seem compatable. Therefore I lose, and because any useful or productive role I could play never materializes, potentially society loses. And then I'll have failed in my duties and I lose again.

I mean, basically, I'm not ambitious and I'm low maintenance. I'll be happy enough doing minor jobs to pay my way, and earn a modest keep. But my sense of duty doesn't allow for that; it keeps insisting I do more, actually realize my potential and put it to use. Actually do good on a larger scale than simply "be good to those around you as you live your supremely low-key life".

And of course I'm aware that you can't sit around and expect employers to call you, you have to get out there and apply and argue a case for yourself. I'm not lazy (I wouldn't have done so well in education if I were); I'm simply not assertive.
 
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So, a simple question: if you were struck down by a bolt of lightning this very day, would have had a net positive effect on the lot of the human race? Enough to offset all the resources invested in and consumed by you? And if not, do you ever hope to get yourself "in the black"?

Very interesting question, and I'm kind of primed mentally for it - been reading a lot of the Dalai Lama's works lately and they touch on this very question.

At the moment I am well in the red.

Do I aspire to move into the black? Absolutely. Do I have the strength and the patience to make certain changes to my life style? Unquestionably.

Do I have the courage to make the ultimate sacrifice and kill my ego? I hope so....

Compassion is easy in theory. In practice I have a few obstacles to overcome. Apparently I have judgemental tendancies. I certainly don't know that I know nothing. And while I ought to venerate my enemies for giving me the opportunity to practice patience and humility, the reality is at the moment I wish fire and brimstone upon them and their families.

Difficult business this. I understand why so many adults never progress past childhood.
 
Difficult business this. I understand why so many adults never progress past childhood.

Yes, true adulthood - I might call it "spiritual" adulthood - is difficult to define, isn't it? It's something so few seem to reach. We had a thread a while back on that, I think. I'm no judge for obvious reasons (;)), but so many times I've observed that I still class myself a boy, not a man, despite being legally the latter for nearky three years, only for people 20 years my elder to say "I still feel like a kid, too".
 
So you're 24 or thereabouts? Don't worry about your work situation. By the time you hit 30 you will have a very clear idea what you want to do with yourself 'career' wise.

You know when I was a kid I always felt that when I became an adult I would 'feel' like an adult. Even though I've done adult things now I'm pushing 29 and I don't feel any different to when I was 18. I've had forty and fifty year olds tell me that they still feel like 'big kids'. Jeez louise, what gives?

I think the key to this thing is remembering that we have ultimate choice in the way we conduct ourselves. In difficult situations we can either sook like kids, get angry or aggressive like kids, hide in fear like kids - or conduct ourselves with the respect and dignity that being an adult demands. It might not be 'spiritual adulthood' but it must be a step on that path.

I wonder if people realise the power to make this choice is in their hands.
 
Okay I'll add something. I'm not very concerned with what kind of effect I'll have after I die, because that will be negligible or nonexistent.
And yet a few hundred million first-worlders thinking so make very large impacts indeed... ;)


I mean, I'm practically begging to be used here, but it seems humanity doesn't want to. Exploit me, dammit! :lol:
Ah, but nearly all our cushy, service, entertainment and luxury-oriented jobs are dependent upon large swaths of fast-moving capital, and that's dependent upon the hearty exploitation of natural resources... :borg:
 
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