STARGATE ATLANTIS : rewatch disscussions and comments

[timothy]

scy fy channel has finaly started over with atlantis . So I started rewatching it from RISING . I am going to watch
all five seasons so I can get into reading the 6 part homeland books . which is basicaly season 6.





love the stargate universe as much as the star trek universe . and I am happy that they are slowly coming over
to the NOOK .

 

[AJ86]

The novels aren't canon by the way, the TV writers completely ignore them. It's shame really, perhaps not in the case of the recent Atlantis ones, but I'm sure some of the more stand alone ones would have sold much, much better had the producer signed off on them.

 

[The Wormhole]

^^Barely any novels which are tie-ins to TV shows or movies or whatever are considered canon, yet they still sell quite well regardless. Pocket Books has been publishing Star Trek novels for over thirty years, the fact they're not canon hasn't crippled their sales at all.

 

[AJ86]

I never suggested that they couldn't do well, only that they'd probably do a hell of a lot better if they were considered canon. I suspect a hell of a lot more fans would be willing to hand over cash for what are average-at-best sci-fi novels if they were a legitimate addition to the franchise mythology.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think it matters. I'm resaonably sure everyone who is interested in reading Stargate novels are reading Fandemonium's novels, and I don't imagine that number rising just because they were declared canon.

Besides, as long as the show doesn't outright contradict anything in the books, what's to stop you from considering it part of your personal canon?

 

[AJ86]

I don't think it matters. I'm resaonably sure everyone who is interested in reading Stargate novels are reading Fandemonium's novels, and I don't imagine that number rising just because they were declared canon.

I do, hugely.

 

[timothy]

the books are now considered cannon ? that's cool now that they are slowly coming to the B & N NOOK this make me very happy . hopefully we will see more stargate universe novels .

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

^Um, no...

The novels aren't canon by the way, the TV writers completely ignore them. It's shame really, perhaps not in the case of the recent Atlantis ones, but I'm sure some of the more stand alone ones would have sold much, much better had the producer signed off on them.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I don't think it matters. I'm resaonably sure everyone who is interested in reading Stargate novels are reading Fandemonium's novels, and I don't imagine that number rising just because they were declared canon.

I do, hugely.

The vast, vast majority of people do not care about the "canon" of a fictional universe. It really makes no sense for the producers to tie their hands by agreeing to respect the events of stories they had no part in and that may have only been read by a handful of people.

 

[AJ86]

The vast, vast majority of people do not care about the "canon" of a fictional universe.

What are you basing that on? Because when I read Gateworld threads, the major reason people usually put forward for not buying the novels is because they're not canon.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

The vast, vast majority of people do not care about the "canon" of a fictional universe.

What are you basing that on? Because when I read Gateworld threads, the major reason people usually put forward for not buying the novels is because they're not canon.

Yeah, I wouldn't use Gateworld as a good example of anything.

 

[The Wormhole]

The vast, vast majority of people do not care about the "canon" of a fictional universe.

What are you basing that on? Because when I read Gateworld threads, the major reason people usually put forward for not buying the novels is because they're not canon.

Several Star Trek books have actually had "Non Canon" stamped on the covers. Not literally, but they did have disclaimers within which were basically long-winded ways of saying "this book is not canon." Off the top of my head, a Peter David book featuring the Borg and one of Shatner's books depicting Kirk and Spock's days at Starfleet Academy had such disclaimers. And yet, despite going out of their way to emphasize that they weren't canon, they still sold.

"Canon" has no bearing on whether or not a book sells. By that logic, Star Wars books should be selling like hotcakes. And while Star Wars certainly sells considerably well, it doesn't really pull in much more than other tie-in novels, and I don't think that it would hurt sales much if George Lucas suddenly decided they weren't canon.

 

[David cgc]

And while Star Wars certainly sells considerably well, it doesn't really pull in much more than other tie-in novels, and I don't think that it would hurt sales much if George Lucas suddenly decided they weren't canon.

You haven't been keeping up with the Warsie news, have you?

No, it's okay. It's better this way.

 

[AJ86]

The vast, vast majority of people do not care about the "canon" of a fictional universe.

What are you basing that on? Because when I read Gateworld threads, the major reason people usually put forward for not buying the novels is because they're not canon.

Yeah, I wouldn't use Gateworld as a good example of anything.

Not even Stargate fandom?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

What are you basing that on? Because when I read Gateworld threads, the major reason people usually put forward for not buying the novels is because they're not canon.

Yeah, I wouldn't use Gateworld as a good example of anything.

Not even Stargate fandom?

Nope.

Most fans of any given show are actually not invested enough to talk about it online. Places like TrekBBS and Gateworld don't represent the mainstream fans, but rather the hardcore fans. Gateworld has about 42,000 members. SG-1 got canceled having somewhere between 1-2 million weekly viewers, right? The entire Syfy forum has 146,067 members, and presumably millions of people are watching their shows. TrekBBS has 21,209 members, while at its peak TNG was pulling over 10 million viewers a week.

You see what I mean? Online fandom is a tiny fraction of a fraction of the people who actually watch (or ever watched) a show. In other words, their opinions don't really matter when it comes to making business decisions.

SGU didn't fail because people here and over at Gateworld didn't like it. It failed because a couple million people gave it an honest chance and they didn't like it. They were bored, turned off, whatever.

Tie-in books generally don't sell that well to begin with, either. Saying the Stargate books don't sell well because they're not canon assumes the general book-buying public cares about such things. They don't. They care primarily about whether the book has good reviews and good word-of-mouth, or they just buy it on impulse. Canonicity may be of concern to hardcore fans, but not to anyone else.

 

[The Wormhole]

And while Star Wars certainly sells considerably well, it doesn't really pull in much more than other tie-in novels, and I don't think that it would hurt sales much if George Lucas suddenly decided they weren't canon.

You haven't been keeping up with the Warsie news, have you?

No, it's okay. It's better this way.

Not really. I am aware that the prequels and Clone Wars have contradicted the novels, thus throwing them into questionable canonical status. But then, the prequels anyway also feature key things introduced in the novels. Coruscant, in particular. Making things very nebulous indeed.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Star Wars, now there's a fucked up canon.

"Are the books canon?"
"Well, yes and no. Some parts of some books."

 

[timothy]

don't get me started on the star wars cannon the clone wars animated series screwed up the book line even more by killing master peel of this season . even if
some of the books are never considered cannon I will still read the books based after my favorite universe's .

star trek
star wars
stargate sg-1
stargate atlantis
stargate universe
battlestar galactica
v
these are just some of the series I like that are not considered cannon but I will
read an support my show's.

 

[AJ86]

Most fans of any given show are actually not invested enough to talk about it online. Places like TrekBBS and Gateworld don't represent the mainstream fans, but rather the hardcore fans. Gateworld has about 42,000 members. SG-1 got canceled having somewhere between 1-2 million weekly viewers, right? The entire Syfy forum has 146,067 members, and presumably millions of people are watching their shows. TrekBBS has 21,209 members, while at its peak TNG was pulling over 10 million viewers a week.

You see what I mean? Online fandom is a tiny fraction of a fraction of the people who actually watch (or ever watched) a show. In other words, their opinions don't really matter when it comes to making business decisions.

SGU didn't fail because people here and over at Gateworld didn't like it. It failed because a couple million people gave it an honest chance and they didn't like it. They were bored, turned off, whatever.

Tie-in books generally don't sell that well to begin with, either. Saying the Stargate books don't sell well because they're not canon assumes the general book-buying public cares about such things. They don't. They care primarily about whether the book has good reviews and good word-of-mouth, or they just buy it on impulse. Canonicity may be of concern to hardcore fans, but not to anyone else.

Um, we were talking about novels not the show. For mechanise as obscure as that, I would presume a fairly large majority of sales would be going to hardcore fans, not casual ones.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

But you're piling assumptions on top of assumptions here.

Assumption 1: The only market for tie-in books is among hardcore fans.
Assumption 2: Hardcore Stargate fans only want to read tie-in books that are considered canonical by the producers.

Conclusion: Stargate books sell poorly because the producers do not consider them canonical.

Both of those assumptions are a bit of a stretch. Canonicity doesn't seem to affect the sales of Star Trek books at all, and I can't imagine Stargate fans being substantially more anal than Trek fans.