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People who believe in god don't bother me. It's the people who believe their god should punish me, which bothers me; particularly when they think they should be an instrument in that punishment.
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People who believe in god don't bother me. It's the people who believe their god should punish me, which bothers me; particularly when they think they should be an instrument in that punishment.
Well you know J. with God a day is like a thousand years so even if you drop dead at 80 from a heart attack it will still be HIS VICTORY.
And sometimes the distance between being an instrument on your knees and an instrument with a pitchfork is a rather small distance.
I've certainly heard folks impatient with the apparent lack of intervention prayer brings suggest that maybe God is wanting a more direct approach.
That sums up my position in a nutshell. I don't believe any bad things are due those people who believe in god, so why should certain of them believe the same for me?
I'm relatively lucky in that almost everybody in my family is religious, but it's either never come up or never been a big deal. I wish all religious people could be so "live and let live."|
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Indeed. Those are the people you have to watch for.
You are lucky. I wish I had that type of family.
I was bitten by an atheist spider.
Pretty much. Maybe with a bit more of emphasis on "enjoy ripping on religious people when they do or say something particularly egregiously stupid", but for me that applies to everybody who says something egregiously stupid, not limited to religious people.
Very interesting. I consider myself a strict materialist, but I am in a similar place. The experience of the numinous is very familiar to me (I'm an astronomer, I just need to look up at night to be almost overwhelmed by it), but I never felt it was about something above or beyond the natural world, just feeling the "wow" of the cosmos. I'm also very interested in Taoist philosophy, and in my years of martial arts I have experienced the power of focusing your own ki during practice. Still, I don't consider ki something "real", but a "shortcut" we employ to make use of the inherent power of our mind and body. A human concept to explain the biological reality under it. Just as I may talk about "love" as if it was an essence, while still knowing that it's just a pattern on electro-chemical reactions in my brain.
But, beyond those philosophical difference, I'd say that we are in a very similar place theologically speaking. Reiki is still bullshit, tho.
Not being animals of other species ourselves, thinking about it won't settle anything; I wonder what Koko has to say on the subject.
I bet all her ills would be cured by reiki. That's for damn sure.
This arrived in the post this morning, sent by the Irish Society for Christian Civilisation, and it gave me a good laugh, so I thought I'd share:
It is the most humorous form of evil I have encountered so far this year. I'm sure this is what Jesus intended to happen when he started preaching his message.
It is the most humorous form of evil I have encountered so far this year. I'm sure this is what Jesus intended to happen when he started preaching his message.
Yes, but the Spiders are up to something ¬_¬
Anyway, atheist/secular humanist/anti-theist here.
This arrived in the post this morning, sent by the Irish Society for Christian Civilisation, and it gave me a good laugh, so I thought I'd share:
Miraculous medals! And the Novena! Oh my God, I'd completely forgotten about these. We used to get given them every few years at school. They came on a bit of blue wool or something. I probably still have one somewhere.
One day, Thor decided to visit Earth and take an anonymous walk among humanity. He walked into an ale house and there met a fetching wench. They went home and made made passionate love. When she awoke the next morning, he was gone. Thor began to feel remorse for hooking the lady with his godly love and then leaving her hanging, so he once again returned to Earth to set things straight. He marched up to her door and knocked. When she answered the door, he straightened his back and said, "Madame, I'm Thor." To which she replied, "You're thor? I can hardly pith!"
I had a religious expirence this morning.
Two old ladies came to my door to ask If I wanted to come to a religious ceremony at a senior citizen center. I said not thank you, we don't go to church. She explained it wasn't church, and then asked me did I believe in something else or not believe at all. I told her this is an atheist family. She then asked my why I am an atheist, like some bad event in my life had to make me this way. Instead of explaining I just said I have my reasons but thank you and have a nice day. I saw the sadness in her eyes, I was the most polite person I could be.
Two old ladies came to my door to ask If I wanted to come to a religious ceremony at a senior citizen center. I said not thank you, we don't go to church. She explained it wasn't church, and then asked me did I believe in something else or not believe at all. I told her this is an atheist family. She then asked my why I am an atheist, like some bad event in my life had to make me this way. Instead of explaining I just said I have my reasons but thank you and have a nice day. I saw the sadness in her eyes, I was the most polite person I could be.
Have you seen him conduct his interviews or lectures? (youtube is your friend)
Dawkins is nearly always respectful and most certainly a lot more patient with some of the nuttier variety of the religious than any of us here would be.
How could you have mistaken him for Hitchens?
We used to buy pagan babies at my school. Of course, you didn't actually buy them, our class just collected money for something (the upkeep on their orphanage, I guess), and then we got to give them their baptismal name. A friend and I once tried to name the class pagan baby "Dynamite", but nobody else would vote for it.
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