And what about all those other people who weren't time travellers? And even though some effects of their existence might persist, people would still have no way of knowing exactly who they were (or rather, who they had been). I've probably not explained that very well, but I hope you get the idea.
How do so many people know about the Time War? (Spoilers)
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And what about all those other people who weren't time travellers? And even though some effects of their existence might persist, people would still have no way of knowing exactly who they were (or rather, who they had been). I've probably not explained that very well, but I hope you get the idea.
Its not that you should watch something else, just watch Dr Who in context. Those explanation and 'science' applied to the stories would utterly destroy the magic of a go anywhere concept that Dr Who is.
I'm sure you're aware that none of it is real, so I'm guessing that those explanations and science desired should be fictional. That demands that a consistent internal logic be established, a science of the impossible, and a map of creation, that new episodes should adhere to.
Dr Who can't work within such a framework, its not part of the concept, so if you're criticizing the show for not being something it simply cannot be without becoming something else, then its only fair to suggest that Dr Who is not the showt you're looking for.
I've never seen indication that the Doctor's final act of the Time War erased the Time Lords from time. Certainly the Time War itself rewrote some species entire existence, and possibly erased knowledge of the Time Lords from some (many). But the Dcotor wiping them all out doesn't mean they were erased. It is very likely that the Doctor himself can't travel back in time to see them, or interact with them because of the Time Lock. That doesn't mean they aren't there, it just means they can't be reached.
The Time War rages on in the moments that it existed in. It will come to an end, and that end is be forever and the Doctor exists after that end and outside it. Doesn't mean that on some planet 1,000 years ago some species didn't interact with them though.
I was going to say that!...LOL
. We as fans should all know that by now....Kidding. However I agree with the whole idea of Time Lords having their own absolute time outside of time. I have always assumed that the Time War being locked simply meant just what it said...The war was locked in a sense that the Time Lords and Daleks could no longer use their knowledge of time and space and manipulate it to come and go as they to their advantage. A final battle to the death so to speak... My problem with the time war is the new series used it as a device to make the Doctor the last survivor, BUT
the Daleks always seem to find a fracking way out of everything ....One single Dalek who managed to break the Time Lock and "Fly through the Darkness" and in the process loose his mind 
. Go figure.....
Anyway I assumed that any species that came in contact with Alien species would eventually learn of the Time Lords either directly or indirectly. and that does not even count the whole Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey stuff .
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Something I find interesting and puzzling: In the scenes set on Gallifrey in The End of Time, the Time Lords are perfectly aware that they're "time-locked", and seem to have difficulty actually travelling through time, hence the complicated scheme with the Master and the White Point Diamond. I wonder, could "time-locked" in this instance refer to the Time Lords being (largely) cut off from the Time Vortex at this point in their existence, rather than all through their history?
I'm wondering if something else happened after the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey, maybe altering Gallifrey's history so that it was either destroyed or cut off from the rest of the universe at some point in its past, truncating its effect on the rest of time and creating an alternate timeline were perhaps only Gallifrey's early history still happened?
I'm wondering if something else happened after the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey, maybe altering Gallifrey's history so that it was either destroyed or cut off from the rest of the universe at some point in its past, truncating its effect on the rest of time and creating an alternate timeline were perhaps only Gallifrey's early history still happened?
I would presume that the Moment (the weapon that the Doctor used to end the war) has something to do with the time-locked. I look at it as being a type of pocket universe, cut off from normal reality space and time.
But the Gallifrey scenes in The End of Time took place before the Doctor had actually used the Moment (whatever that is/was). I understood it was only after Gallifrey was destroyed that the entire War was time-locked. And does this mean that all of Gallifrey's history is locked? In that case, how did the War Lord aliens in The War Games, the Sontarans in The Invasion of Time and the Sleepers in The Trial of a Time Lord travel into Gallifrey's time zone?
^ You're thinking linearly again.
Which neatly takes us back to your very first post.
We seem to be in a loop of some kind...
It must be a Thread Lock.
The last days of the Thread War
^^ Yes it's called an EJA casualty loop. We keep repeating conversations and not coming to any consensus except for EJA not liking the Time War or being confused with it. I wonder why he bothered to resurrect this thread in the first place. Sigh.
Because I like things to make sense. If a scenario doesn't make sense to me, I'm naturally inclined to analyse it and seek the opinion of others, until I'm satisfied that it works. I'm not one of those people who just blindly accepts whatever's thrown at them.
^ Except that you continue to reject other people's opinions after asking for them when they do not conform into your own opinion. We've been over this in several of your other threads already.
If Gallifrey is cut off from the rest of the universe at all points in time, then stories like The War Games, The Invasion of Time, and The Trial of a Time Lord could not have happened as we saw them. This is one of the reasons I wonder if a retro-effect was caused by Gallifrey's destruction, with the planet being destroyed in its past as well as its present.
But then, as others have rightly pointed out, there is some evidence in past DW fiction (which I think might have been written well before the New Series) that TARDISes cannot travel into Gallifrey's past, only to dates after they were constructed. They're tied to Gallifrey's present, so to speak. This may not apply to other time-travelling races (though the Daleks also appear to have a similar set-up regarding their War and post-War activities, judging from Dalek Caan's difficulty in rescuing Davros). That probably doesn't answer everything, but it's worth keeping in mind.
But then, as others have rightly pointed out, there is some evidence in past DW fiction (which I think might have been written well before the New Series) that TARDISes cannot travel into Gallifrey's past, only to dates after they were constructed. They're tied to Gallifrey's present, so to speak. This may not apply to other time-travelling races (though the Daleks also appear to have a similar set-up regarding their War and post-War activities, judging from Dalek Caan's difficulty in rescuing Davros). That probably doesn't answer everything, but it's worth keeping in mind.
Sigh.
War Games and Invasion of Time happened to us before the Time War, (we only remember them because we have recordings of those stories). Plus we've spent too long travelling in the TARDIS for our experiences to have been erased when the Time War time-locked Gallifrey and the Time Lords
