^Dang. And my father wouldn't even let me see Logan's Run.
Can you blame fans for snickering over TMP being rated G ?
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"Watchmen" was "MA" in Australia.
I believe a US "R" is equivalent to our "MA", from what I have observed at least.
Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger contained this nude scene. I would say it deserves at least a PG, and I suspect it would receive one if it were rated today.
(I apologize to moderators if the link above violates board rules, but that shot does come from a G-rated movie.)
It's true that movies once rated X would now be R and ones once rated R would now probably be PG13, but G and PG rated movies of the 70's and early 80's also had content that would be at least PG13 today. Logan's Run, Airplane, and Clash of the Titans all had bare breasts, while Raiders of the Lost Ark had some rather gory violence here and there, and all of those movies were rated PG. (Yes, I know the PG13 rating didn't exist yet.)
So while some complain that the ratings have gotten too permissive while others complain that the ratings have gotten too restrictive, it seems to me that movie ratings are actually drifting toward the middle of the spectrum. More and more movies are getting a PG13 these days, regardless of whether they once would have been PG or R.
Bare breasts alone don't generate a PG13, especially in a bathing situation. It's not until there's a sexual situation that nude breasts kicks a film into PG13.
Sinbad is a perfect example of how nudity can be G rated. So is the original Planet of the Apes.
The nudity of Logan's Run is basically a costume choice and could argued to be excessive if you're prudish (I see far more revealing T&A on the beaches these days). But it's not in a sexual situation and therefore would still be rated PG. I suspect the original Clash of the Titans may have been rated PG for its violence, not the bathing-related nudity.
Sinbad is a perfect example of how nudity can be G rated. So is the original Planet of the Apes.
The nudity of Logan's Run is basically a costume choice and could argued to be excessive if you're prudish (I see far more revealing T&A on the beaches these days). But it's not in a sexual situation and therefore would still be rated PG. I suspect the original Clash of the Titans may have been rated PG for its violence, not the bathing-related nudity.
I was talking about the scene in the ice cave where she completely takes off her costume.
I'm not aware of post-1990 movies with bare breasts and a rating milder than PG13, except possibly ones with National Geographic-style nudity. Do you know of examples?
Most movies in the post 90's that have nudity have far more violence that those of the 70's and 80's. Not exactly comparing apples to apples (or melons to melons). 
And taking off wet clothes to put on some bear skins is a costume choice.
And taking off wet clothes to put on some bear skins is a costume choice.
That's what they look like to me. Upper left corner of this pic: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8u09A7q7DU/S8qVdTtvuII/AAAAAAAAFEo/JFHn21z7XLo/s1600/logansrun.jpg
Maybe wolf-skin?
Another thing is that since PG-13 was created (as a response to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom) producers have gone out of their way to get their movies rated PG and PG-13. "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" had plenty of foul language (I'm not moralizing--I cuss like a effing sailor) and violence that ended up getting the movie rated PG. It was about that time I realized that studios WANTED PG and PG-13 movies. "Dick Tracy" also comes to mind. Both "Rabbit" and "Tracy" could easily have been G rated with less emphasis on the violence.
Maybe wolf-skin?
Another thing is that since PG-13 was created (as a response to Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom) producers have gone out of their way to get their movies rated PG and PG-13. "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" had plenty of foul language (I'm not moralizing--I cuss like a effing sailor) and violence that ended up getting the movie rated PG. It was about that time I realized that studios WANTED PG and PG-13 movies. "Dick Tracy" also comes to mind. Both "Rabbit" and "Tracy" could easily have been G rated with less emphasis on the violence.
^Well, to be fair, violence and sexual innuendo were very much a part of the cartoons of the 1940s, so Roger Rabbit was merely being true to that. At the time, cartoons weren't just made for kids, but were aimed at audiences of all ages. Betty Boop was originally a pretty racy character before the Fleischer Studios followed Disney's lead and became more kid-friendly. Betty's cameo in the very first Popeye cartoon has her doing a hula dance wearing nothing above the waist but a lei. And Jessica Rabbit was strongly based on Tex Avery's "Red Hot Riding Hood" character, who appeared in a number of racy cartoons (though under a variety of names).
As for Dick Tracy, that was one violent comic strip. Murder and gunplay, violent crime and violent crimefighting, were its bread and butter. So making a G-rated Dick Tracy film would hardly have been true to the source.
As for Dick Tracy, that was one violent comic strip. Murder and gunplay, violent crime and violent crimefighting, were its bread and butter. So making a G-rated Dick Tracy film would hardly have been true to the source.
Got it. Just wasn't sure if you were being punny or not. 
This made me laugh, but sad on so many levels.
Looking forward to seeing you in July...and it looks like I'm going to Vegas in August! Whooo hoooo!
As a further add on, I keep seeing people saying TOD was the imputes for PG-13, if I remember (I was in junior high at the time) Gremlins was also a major reason for this. It was PG, but was pretty damn violent and scary for children. If I remember Speilberg (who directed TOD and produced Gremlins) suggested PG-13 or PG-14.
I remamber when Red Dawn came out we were excited because it was the first PG-13 release...and honestly, we couldn't figure out why, PG would have worked fine.
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That's my memory, too. It was the double whammy of ToD and GREMLINS, coming out the same summer, that led to PG-13.
Now that would explain my own memory. I swear that sometime around January or February of 1984 a Sunday school teacher told us that Hollywood was planning a new rating called PG13. Since that would have been several months before the release of Temple of Doom, I was always surprised afterward when people said it was Temple of Doom that inspired the new rating.
Perhaps the new rating was already under consideration, but Temple of Doom is what made the MPAA say, "Okay, you know that new rating we've been considering? We should have rolled it out before we rated this last Indy Jones movie."
Or my memory could be off.
From Wiki:
In 1984, explicit violence and gore in the films Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Gremlins caused an uproar among parents over their PG rating. Their complaints led Hollywood figure Steven Spielberg, director of Temple of Doom and producer of Gremlins, to suggest a new rating to MPAA president Jack Valenti. Spielberg's suggestion was for an intermediate rating of PG-13 or PG-14. On conferring with cinema owners, Valenti and the MPAA on July 1, 1984, introduced the PG-13 rating indicating that some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
The first film distributed with a PG-13 rating was Red Dawn (1984). Dreamscape and The Woman in Red were released on the same day the following week. The Flamingo Kid (1984) was the first film to receive the rating, but was not released until December 1984.
The new rating was suggested by Spielberg to Valenti.
In 1984, explicit violence and gore in the films Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Gremlins caused an uproar among parents over their PG rating. Their complaints led Hollywood figure Steven Spielberg, director of Temple of Doom and producer of Gremlins, to suggest a new rating to MPAA president Jack Valenti. Spielberg's suggestion was for an intermediate rating of PG-13 or PG-14. On conferring with cinema owners, Valenti and the MPAA on July 1, 1984, introduced the PG-13 rating indicating that some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
The first film distributed with a PG-13 rating was Red Dawn (1984). Dreamscape and The Woman in Red were released on the same day the following week. The Flamingo Kid (1984) was the first film to receive the rating, but was not released until December 1984.
The new rating was suggested by Spielberg to Valenti.
Interesting. I didn't know that Spielberg actually suggested that rating.
I dunno, I do seem to recall that there were some complaints, or at least surprise, about it being rated G. It was too long ago for me to remember specifics, but my impression is that there was some controversy over it, though "snickering" is probably not the right characterization.
The R rating for The King's Speech was absolutely ridiculous. It's just because of cursing in one or two scenes. Take them away, the film could almost be a PG film.