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Sucker Punch (Film 2011) Grading/Discussion

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Actually there was a scene that was deleted where Jon Hamm's character was meant to rape Babydoll just prior to the lobotomy, it was deleted for obvious reasons. This also reduces the menace of Hamm's character in the real world where he expresses concern for her.
 
^ That, then, corresponds to the High Roller's intent to deflower Baby Doll in the brothel reality. I was wondering about that. Thanks.
 
No worries. Like I said before I think that the director's cut if released will provide more to the actual plot. 18 minutes was deleted including I believe an entire other dance sequence.
 
^ ^Except that in the case of "Sucker Punch" he was most likely intending a Sucker Punch and for some reason people are not getting what he intended and are only seeing a flawed film. Now in no way am I saying that people are wrong for disliking the film, you can dislike a film and not understand it.

Not everyone was excited by the movie enough to watch interviews and thus realize some of what Snyder intended. The movie fails on account of his intentions not being apparent within the movie itself. What that means is that the "story", if it can be called that, is not told well.


I did not have to watch any interviews to understand what he intended. It seemed pretty evident in watching the movie.

I was gonna add, even if you realize what his intentions were, noble as they are, one is entitled to disliking the movie based on its failure to go about delivering its message in anything other than a ham-fisted way.

The movie fails on account of his intentions not being apparent within the movie itself. What that means is that the "story", if it can be called that, is not told well.
It seemed apparent enough to me.

Yeah, stop the sexual oppression, women of the world unite, etc. I agree it's pretty obvious, now that I've given some thought to the movie after having seen it (it made my brain go completely blank during). My problem is that all the "story" bits take place in the boring brothel reality, and after realizing that the action scenes are actually just some lame dance, I kinda stopped paying attention. I didn't initially see the point of the whole thing because it failed to draw me in. I hold the film-maker responsible.

Every movie must be Oscar material.

EVERY. MOVIE.

And if it isn't, every little Internet poster with a fist up their ass must rant and rave about how horrible it is, all because they have no idea how to enjoy a mindless popcorn flick. And if even that isn't sufficient, they must feign ignorance and claim an inability to follow even the most simple of plots in said popcorn movies.

So yes, Sucker Punch isn't winning any Oscars for brilliant storytelling. Oh no! The horror! The horror of it all! By default, if it's not an Oscar movie, it must be the worst movie of all time! There's only two possible outcomes! /wrist

I'm surprised at my need to bitch about how much I hated this movie, myself. I mean, most dumb films you just kinda go "meh" and forget about them. This one, it made me think, it stayed with me. It made me obsess over why it sucks so much. And the thing is, it's not a mindless popcorn flick. It strives for more, which is why it so utterly frustrates in its failure.

Basically, Snyder invented a couple action scenes that could be used for the trailers to get nerds to come see the film, so he could preach at them about watching less tentacle porn. But this ain't an action film. It didn't even end with an epic action scene. No, it would be ludicrous to make a film about women who can actually fight like that. It's all in their heads. And in the real world, they can't take care of themselves without the help of a kindly male bus driver.

Had there been any relevance to the action scenes, and a reason for me to care about the visual extravaganza, I would've liked this much more. What if it turned out that these women actually had been part of an elite fighting unit, and the action scenes were their memories? And the brothel is like, a result of hypnosis meant to break their will (just so it wouldn't sound like a blatant Matrix ripoff). But they overpower the programming, escape, and kick ass in whatever scifi compound they were held in. Now that would've been empowering, and even entertaining. There would even be room for a sequel, in the case of box office success.
 
Saw this film yesterday, loved every minute of it, and the soundtrack is pure awesome. Loved it.
 
Heh, FWIW I really liked Zack Snyder's other films - especially Watchmen, and no, not every movie has to be an Oscar winner.

I hate this film many of the same reasons O'Dib pointed out. It seems to be in conflict with itself between the overly preachy monologues that bookend the flick, and the actual content of the film on a deeper level than "ass kicking".
 
Actually there was a scene that was deleted where Jon Hamm's character was meant to rape Babydoll just prior to the lobotomy, it was deleted for obvious reasons.
Well, yeah - one wouldn't want to go overboard with the female-empowerment message.


... Wait, what?
 
I don't need every movie to be Oscar worthy, but this wasn't a fun popcorn movie.
Yes it was, and the fact that I had fun and ate popcorn proves it.

There was never any tension or excitement during the action scenes because there was no risk and I didn't care about the characters at all.
That's you. Other feel differently. I thought the action sequences were some of the best I had ever seen.

For a popcorn flick to be good, it still needs to have a plot that makes sense (and while I can follow what was happening, it was completely nonsensical and just plain stupid) or characters we can relate to or like and not just for their sexy clothes and nice bodies.
This had far more plot than most of what Hollywood cranks out these days.

Either that or this movie could have taken itself a lot less seriously and been a lot more fun.
Maybe it's you who is taking the movie too seriously?

Don't tell me that Snyder didn't think this movie was way smarter and more "important" than it was.
Snyder didn't think this movie was way smarter and more "important" than it was.
 
Actually there was a scene that was deleted where Jon Hamm's character was meant to rape Babydoll just prior to the lobotomy, it was deleted for obvious reasons.

From various snippets online, there seems to be some discussion (debate?)/disparity between Hamm, Browning and Snyder as to whether it was just a 'rape' scene, or whether working on other levels. Guess we'll have to wait and see...
 
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There was never any tension or excitement during the action scenes because there was no risk and I didn't care about the characters at all.
That's you. Other feel differently. I thought the action sequences were some of the best I had ever seen.

You really need to get out more.

This had far more plot than most of what Hollywood cranks out these days.
The battle cry of the apologist. Let me guess, I should just accept it for what it is and I'm also somehow foolish for expecting a good movie? I can't tell you how many times I see those 3 statements repeated in half-assed attempts to defend shitty movies.

I'd challenge you to find a movie that has less plot than this. I'd say this fits in quite nicely at the bottom of the barrel with the rest of the garbage you're damning while holding this used condom of a movie up as some sort of fun romp.

Either that or this movie could have taken itself a lot less seriously and been a lot more fun.
Maybe it's you who is taking the movie too seriously?
Huh? That doesn't make sense. I would have been fine if this movie had been so bad it was good. Hell, I was hoping for it. It couldn't even handle that feat.
 
What if Baby Doll's "dance" was
her being raped by the asylum personnel? I mean, a brothel is a place where sex happens, and Baby Doll is the "new kid in town" so she has that fresh aspect that the other no longer have. Remember that they all danced at one point. That's certainly the reason why women are in a way objectified and most certainly why there's no real raunchy imagery or sequences

I think the dance scene is just her distracting people. She's probably just kicking, screaming, re-enacting those action sequences. That would get all the employees to try to restrain her, so her friends can steal the items. That's why we never see her "dance", but see her imagining killing monsters.

And in the real world, they can't take care of themselves without the help of a kindly male bus driver.

I don't think the bus driver is real. When Babydoll entered the asylum, she notices the map, the lighter, the knives, and Blue's key. Babydoll is the one that came up with the plan. She never told the other girls that a man gave her the plan, because it was all Babydoll's plan. The bus driver only exists in her head. The girls executed the plan themselves. They knew it was nearly impossible to escape in such a short time, but the tried anyway.

The final scene may also be in Babydoll's mind. She has no idea what happened to Sweet Pea after the escape, and just hoped she found a safe way home.

Actually there was a scene that was deleted where Jon Hamm's character was meant to rape Babydoll just prior to the lobotomy, it was deleted for obvious reasons.

I read it was a sex scene, not a rape scene. It was to represent her accepting her fate, her lobotomy, and her sacrafice. But until we actually see that scene, we can only speculate.
 
^Yes it was a sex scene not a rape scene, my mistake and yes it was removed for the rating to remain intact. @Gaith dare I ask if you've seen the movie or are you again commenting with no basis to be providing any kind of opinion? I too interpreted Babydoll's actual dance as being a distraction. The audience (us) is not meant to see it. This is also part of the intended "Sucker Punch" in my opinion. If we were meant to see the dance Snyder would have decided to show it to us.

@Bishop76 there's no need to attack another person's opinion. If Davros enjoyed the action sequences and thought they were the best he's ever seen, who are you to say other wise? Let alone give him sarcastic advice to get out more. We're having a difference of opinion of the movie. You've more than established your point of view, please don't be attacking others for theirs.
 
Regarding the action scenes, I will say that I enjoyed them a lot and I have not seen many like them in recent time. The diversity of the scenes and the mixing of genres was super fun. They may not be the best EVAR but I found them pretty high on my top twenty list of fave battles.
 
^Yes it was a sex scene not a rape scene, my mistake and yes it was removed for the rating to remain intact. @Gaith dare I ask if you've seen the movie or are you again commenting with no basis to be providing any kind of opinion? I too interpreted Babydoll's actual dance as being a distraction. The audience (us) is not meant to see it. This is also part of the intended "Sucker Punch" in my opinion. If we were meant to see the dance Snyder would have decided to show it to us.

My problem with this is that her dancing is supposed to be the distraction so that her friends can steal the necessary items - but in the imaginary battles, it's Baby Doll who achieves pretty much every objective. She steals the map from the bunker, she gets the fire crystals from the dragon, etc. It relegates the other girls to support roles in the battles, when they're the ones taking all the risk in the real world. I think it would have been better to be cutting back and forth between the imaginary battles and what's actually going on, so that the other girls get to do more than just shoot stuff and fly the plane.

Or, alternatively, make it so that the imaginary world lines up a bit more with the real world - let Sweet Pea get the map, Amber get the fire crystals, etc, while Baby Doll still gets to pull off sweet combat moves against the level boss, I mean... no, no, that's what I mean. ;)
 
I believe this is meant as a measure of trust among the group. The girls all recognize that Babydoll has some kind of hypnotic dancing ability that they do not. It's not that Babydoll is getting credit for something in her fantasy sequences, she plays an important role with the dancing by proving the distraction and being the decoy. We're meant to focus on Babydoll in the fantasy sequences because that's the misdirection. Not sure if I'm making my point clear or not. There's a lot of intended misdirection in the film.
 
I can see the fantasy visions lining up with how Baby Doll perceive her role to be -- leading the team of girls into action and accomplishing their mission. But it'd work better from a storytelling perspective if the battle sequences had some significance -- preferably both to the real world of the asylum and in providing symbolism toward Snyder's expressed thematic message. Unfortunately, though, there's a very real disconnect between the battles, the dance, the brothel antics and the asylum results.
 
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