RTD to return...

[The Nth Doctor]

Should have said RTD was returning Leno-style.

I could have, but that makes no sense to me, I don't tend to follow the US talk show scene...did he leave then come back again? I seem to recall various avatars in support of the guy who replaced him and who was (I'm guessing) them himself replaced?

Jay Leno retired from The Tonight Show and passed it onto Conan O'Brien, but after less than a season, NBC reneged on their contract with O'Brien because of poor ratings and gave it back to Leno.

At least, that's the short and simple version.

Should have said RTD was returning Leno-style.

I'm with Mofo.

Quick, someone Obama-ify Moffat Coco-style!

Uh-huh.

Have I mentioned that I hate April Fools?

The Internet has turned April Fool's Day from a minor nuisance with occasional entertainment value to a world-spanning metastasizing tumor of Stupid.

You're too kind.

Except Kestra/Kestrel. We should be nice to them.

Nah, no need to be nice to Kestra.

 

[ClayinCA]

And here you got my hopes up that we'd get a proper show-runner back in charge instead of that second-string limp noodle presently running the show into the ground.

Now, that's an April Fool's joke.

 

[Psion]

And here you got my hopes up that we'd get a proper show-runner back in charge instead of that second-string limp noodle presently running the show into the ground.

Now, that's an April Fool's joke.

Yep. I didn't even get a nibble out of anyone but Starkers. I need Bones to coach me on getting this crowd riled up.

 

[Cutter John]

Yep. I didn't even get a nibble out of anyone but Starkers. I need Bones to coach me on getting this crowd riled up.

Not bad though. You got an eye-roll out of me.

 

[Psion]

Yep. I didn't even get a nibble out of anyone but Starkers. I need Bones to coach me on getting this crowd riled up.

Not bad though. You got an eye-roll out of me.

Well then I'll consider it a modest success and try harder next year. Still, this feels like the Christmas my parents put my presents under the tree without wrapping them ....

[sigh]

 

[Starkers]

At least you still got presents

 

[Phily B]

And here you got my hopes up that we'd get a proper show-runner back in charge instead of that second-string limp noodle presently running the show into the ground.

This

 

[Sindatur]

And here you got my hopes up that we'd get a proper show-runner back in charge instead of that second-string limp noodle presently running the show into the ground.

Geeze...Enough already, MY GAWD...WE GET IT.....
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Sorry, I did try to keep a straight Face


[/Too little, too late]

 

[DAK]

I'm sorry, I'm so sorry...

No you're not. I'm gonna smack you one...

 

[Shatnertage]

I thought you were going to say he's returning video tapes and take it the Patrick Bateman route.

 

[Cutter John]

Uh-oh. Anyone heard from Bones? I'm worried his head may have exploded when he saw the thread title.

 

[Starkers]

Nah he's been in another thread so I'm pretty sure he figured what this really was before any harm came to him...

 

[Phily B]

I still don't understand the RTD hate, and never will. The worst is when you hear people who had never seen an episode before 2005 doing it.

 

[Psion]

Well, he brought a flamboyance to the show, to be sure. But some felt that he was too openly pro-homosexual. Which he was, but only so far as painting homosexuals as ordinary people. Others were put off less by RTD's politics than by changes he made to the character. The Doctor became more mythological than he used to be. More legendary. "Last of the Time Lords" and all that.

I actually like that element. The guy's been doing this for nearly a thousand of his years, mostly around human-settled worlds ... after a while, I'd expect a mythology to evolve around him.

On the other hand, the Christ-metaphors got a little heavy-handed. Personally, I'm glad RTD resurrected the show. He did a good job keeping it inline with the established franchise, while updating it and expanding its audience. Sure, I thought he was a sloppy story-teller, but he came at the subject with just the right measures of flare and whimsy to make it work anyway.

 

[Starkers]

Yeah for an athiest RTD doesn't half love his religious imagry.

I don't hate RTD, but neither do I think he's an uber genius, and much like many things on the internet too many people just fall into one camp or the other. He isn't the greatest writer/show runner evah! But nor is he the Anti Christ

I'll always give him kudos for bringing back a show with so much history in a simple and accessible way that made it incredibly popular, without the need to reboot the entire franchise. Making the show fit with more modern times, without jettisining everything that came before is a trick too few give him enough credit for.

That said the constant need to make everytyhing EPIC, to outdo his finales with ever more ridiculous and wide ranging threats did begin to grate (see The Next Doctor as a prime example, wonderful story...then a giant fucking robot turns up!) as did his constant need to deify the Doctor.

But I don't hate him, and I still think it'd be fun to see an RTD episode within Moffat's universe in the same way it was always a highlight to see a Moffat episode within RTD's.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Well, he brought a flamboyance to the show, to be sure. But some felt that he was too openly pro-homosexual. Which he was, but only so far as painting homosexuals as ordinary people. Others were put off less by RTD's politics than by changes he made to the character. The Doctor became more mythological than he used to be. More legendary. "Last of the Time Lords" and all that.

I actually like that element. The guy's been doing this for nearly a thousand of his years, mostly around human-settled worlds ... after a while, I'd expect a mythology to evolve around him.

On the other hand, the Christ-metaphors got a little heavy-handed. Personally, I'm glad RTD resurrected the show. He did a good job keeping it inline with the established franchise, while updating it and expanding its audience. Sure, I thought he was a sloppy story-teller, but he came at the subject with just the right measures of flare and whimsy to make it work anyway.

Yeah for an athiest RTD doesn't half love his religious imagry.

I don't hate RTD, but neither do I think he's an uber genius, and much like many things on the internet too many people just fall into one camp or the other. He isn't the greatest writer/show runner evah! But nor is he the Anti Christ

I'll always give him kudos for bringing back a show with so much history in a simple and accessible way that made it incredibly popular, without the need to reboot the entire franchise. Making the show fit with more modern times, without jettisining everything that came before is a trick too few give him enough credit for.

That said the constant need to make everytyhing EPIC, to outdo his finales with ever more ridiculous and wide ranging threats did begin to grate (see The Next Doctor as a prime example, wonderful story...then a giant fucking robot turns up!) as did his constant need to deify the Doctor.

But I don't hate him, and I still think it'd be fun to see an RTD episode within Moffat's universe in the same way it was always a highlight to see a Moffat episode within RTD's.

Why type out my thoughts when I can just quote these two posts? Pretty much sums up my feelings about RTD and I second Starkers' interest in seeing an RTD episode during Moffat's reign.

 

[Bones2]

I think it's a good idea. Considering it's barely even Doctor Who any more, getting RTD in means Moffat could show that even with ever more tedious timey-wimey shitey-whitey bollocks attempting to be smug and clever, a Doctor with potential reduced to a succession of hats and catchphrases, and plots driven by looking up vaginas, it could still be slightly worse.

And here you got my hopes up that we'd get a proper show-runner back in charge instead of that second-string limp noodle presently running the show into the ground.

Now, that's an April Fool's joke.

Yep. I didn't even get a nibble out of anyone but Starkers. I need Bones to coach me on getting this crowd riled up.

Watch and learn, kiddo

 

[ClayinCA]

some felt that he was too openly pro-homosexual. Which he was, but only so far as painting homosexuals as ordinary people.

As opposed to what?!?

Seriously, you can't possibly intend that remark to be as bigoted as it comes off being...can you?

 

[Psion]

some felt that he was too openly pro-homosexual. Which he was, but only so far as painting homosexuals as ordinary people.

As opposed to what?!?

Seriously, you can't possibly intend that remark to be as bigoted as it comes off being...can you?

"Some felt that he was too openly pro-homosexual." That is a statement of fact. I watched numerous flamewars erupt in these boards over his perspective and whether it was right or wrong. And he was pro-homosexual and painted gays as ordinary people. Not as gallivanting perverts, not as saviors, neither better nor worse than ordinary people.

I made neither an endorsement nor a rejection of anyone's personal lifestyle, and yet you've interpreted this as an opportunity to tar me as a bigot. No doubt expecting me to fall all over myself trying to make excuses or blast you for being pro-queer. I'll give you neither, since my intent was to simply state that RTD dressed gays in decidedly normal attire, and some people found that objectionable.

The trouble with intolerance is that it festers on all sides. There's a tendency in at least some people to look for reasons to get angry, as though they're junkies needing a fix of rage. Don't manufacture hate.

 

[DAK]

I still don't understand the RTD hate, and never will. The worst is when you hear people who had never seen an episode before 2005 doing it.

I don't hate the man (and I've been watching since the '70's). The gay stuff doesn't bother me at all either. As much as I loved Nine, I hated what RTD did to the character of the Doctor - a clingy and needy Timelord falling in love with an Earth teenager?! UGH, really?! Utter crap like "Love and Monsters", a boy-toy Doctor clone for Rose, the Jesus-Doctor (as others have mentioned), the utterly stupid let downs of his season finales...

I love Steven Moffat's writing. He's written many of my favorite episodes (remember he's won 3 of the 4 Hugos awarded to Doctor Who!). I loved season 5 and season 6 looks amazing. Please don't let RTD touch Who ever again!