I don't know how a movie that was only in limited release could bomb.
Captain America (1990) Matt Salinger, Ronnit Cox, Ned Beatty
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I don't know how a movie that was only in limited release could bomb.
See, now I have no trouble with the revised Thor costume. It keeps to the spirit of the original. Indeed, a lot of the movie looks very Kirbyesque. But honestly, the revised Cap costume reeks. The rest of the movie, so far, looks pretty good.
In 1978 people thought you couldn't dress a guy in blue tights and a red cape and have it look good. But when it was done with conviction, as Superman TM was, it ended up looking great.
The costume in this original Captain America is the best thing in the movie. While that's not saying much, I'll say this: it would be perfectly well received if it were in the new movie.
I could see the 1990 movie's costume working if a couple of things were different, firstly a better way should have been discovered to expose the ears. Resorting to the rubber ones on the side of the head was just dumb; from my understanding they did this due to chaffing our other issues with cut-out holes for the ears. Certainly a way could have been discovered given more time and a budget.
I thought the "ribbing"/"six-pack" on the chest of the costume looked dumb and overdone. The material was just corny looking and didn't translate well. The overall design isn't bad and granted true to the comics but the execution leaves much to be desired.
Since the movie was intended for a wide release and ended up getting a limited/DTV release could be an indicator as to how much the movie bombed. It bombed so hard the backers of it didn't even want to bother even trying to make money on, cut their losses, shoved on tape and put it out there.
I thought the "ribbing"/"six-pack" on the chest of the costume looked dumb and overdone. The material was just corny looking and didn't translate well. The overall design isn't bad and granted true to the comics but the execution leaves much to be desired.
Since the movie was intended for a wide release and ended up getting a limited/DTV release could be an indicator as to how much the movie bombed. It bombed so hard the backers of it didn't even want to bother even trying to make money on, cut their losses, shoved on tape and put it out there.
As far as I know they ran into problems and closed down four years after the movie was made.
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I saw this a year or two ago and enjoyed it. I was expecting some real garbage based on what I read, but I didn't find it all that bad.
Don't remember the rubber ears.
Don't remember the rubber ears.
Why, because you think that a movie like this achieves only a limited release because of the enormous confidence the studio and exhibitors had in it?
It was a popcorn flick that couldn't make it in the distribution system. The equivalent now would be a movie intended to be released theatrically that wound up going straight to DVD.
Have to agree with this. And I have evidence:
Bashing popular movie: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=138234
Bashing unpopular movie: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=138088
Yeah, yeah, some folks get in trouble for trolling the Trek forums. Now, come on - show us some examples of people being punished in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forum for dissing, oh, Star Wars. There is not a more "popular" movie in the history of skiffy film than Star Wars by any reasonable measure. So let's see that, or your proposition fails on the evidence.
Those links, BTW, aren't evidence of what the poster evidently thinks they are. In one case a thread got closed; in the other it didn't. No one was cautioned for trolling, much less warned.
Any inconsistency there would be far more logically explained by the fact that you've got two different forums with two different moderators on duty than by accusations concerning "trolling" - except that the conclusion in this case is clearly conditioned on the premise.
Those links, BTW, aren't evidence of what the poster evidently thinks they are. In one case a thread got closed; in the other it didn't. No one was cautioned for trolling, much less warned.
Any inconsistency there would be far more logically explained by the fact that you've got two different forums with two different moderators on duty than by accusations concerning "trolling" - except that the conclusion in this case is clearly conditioned on the premise.
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The "basing popular movie" thread offered no content, basis for the bash, or anything of the sort in the OP. If the thread-starter hadn't been antagonistic and told us why he didn't like the movie it'd be a completely different story.
The "bashing unpopular movie" thread, however, was clearly a parody thread and actual began a discussion.
They're apples and oranges.
I could start a thread right now about how I dislike something popular and formulate my opinions on why and present them and probably start a discussion on things. That's different than me just starting a thread that says "The LOTR Movies Suck! I'm going to watch Die Hard to wash the stank off me!"
One presents my thoughts the other immediately puts most people on the defensive and in that case why shouldn't it be closed? If everyone is on the defensive against one guy obviously just out to stir trouble then the thread has no where to go but down-hill. Why? Because it popular opinion against one, lone, voice.
I've seen posters in the past make threads against popular movies and episodes quite often and have seen them remain open but it was when the against-the-grain guy presented an argument and a discussion about things. Which is important to do when you're going against the grain.
When you're going with the grain there's no argument to be made you just say, "The 1990 Captain America movie was terrible", most people will "get" it and fall in step. Much harder to do than saying "ST09 was a piece of shit." and expecting people to go along with your opinions.
Stop comparing apples and oranges.
Not to mention that some of us "bashing" the film actually enjoyed watching it on some level. And the person who said it was a thread dedicated to bashing didn't exactly stick to praise either:
The "bashing unpopular movie" thread was posted first, on March 3, and the "bashing popular movie" thread on March 7, thus making the latter and not the former the parody thread. All well and good that Trek V-bashing thread turned out fine, but if JarrodRussel's OP had no substance, than neither did RAMA's. I'll bite my tongue on the rest of the issue except to say I think Trek V and Trek XI are both shit.
Which in itself is sufficient to explain the closing of the latter thread; threads parodying other threads are discouraged here.
Was the thread bashing ST V trolling? Quite possibly so - therefore, if it had been left alone and the poster who started the parody thread had been warned or even directly cautioned for "trolling" then the poster would have some evidence for his position - and some point to the demonstration. Since that did not happen, the examples do no more than reinforce the opinion that the poster clearly already held and sought unsuccessfully to demonstrate.
It was certainly a substance-less drive-by. I've no idea why it wasn't closed, really. Perhaps it's just not viewed as trolling when it lines up with majority opinion.
There's no evidence that the parody thread was treated as trolling, either - else the moderator might have said something to that effect (in fact, if I opened an entire thread just to troll I'd expect to receive a warning for that).
I just put this movie in the same bracket as most of the pre-X Men/ Blade Marvel movies we got. Cheap and cheerful. It's down there with the Dolph Lundgren Punisher (which is probably no worse than the Thomas Jane version, to be fair), the Corman Fantastic Four, the Hasselhoff Nick Fury and the Nick Hammond Spider-man. They are what they are. God bless the big-budget comic movies we get now and God bless CGI making superpowers achievable on the big screen.
They had the old, unreleased, Fantastic-4 movie available there too. Should have picked that one up, hell there was a LOT of bootleg crap there I could have gotten that I probably will at a future show. That's sort-of the charm of these things, buying crap no one wants you to see. I also need to get the Captain America movie with David Ryder in it.
I enjoyed the original Fantastic Four movie when I got hold of it on VHS ages ago.
That said, if someone called it "cheap," "dumb," "bad" or suggested that the costumes and effects were lackluster I sure wouldn't accuse them of trolling.
That said, if someone called it "cheap," "dumb," "bad" or suggested that the costumes and effects were lackluster I sure wouldn't accuse them of trolling.
I haven't seen the movie, but I just want to add to the love for Ronny Cox in this thread. I agree, he makes a marvelous villain and it is weird to see him play a nice guy. I saw "Robocop" for the first time in many, many years recently, and I thought one of the highlights was what a wonderfully vile bastard he was.
I saw "Deliverance" for the first time about 2 or 3 years ago and it was so strange to see Ronny Cox not only playing a nice guy, but a young one as well! It was also jarring to see him with hair that wasn't white. He's one of those dudes I think of as being born with white hair, like Steve Martin.
I saw "Deliverance" for the first time about 2 or 3 years ago and it was so strange to see Ronny Cox not only playing a nice guy, but a young one as well! It was also jarring to see him with hair that wasn't white. He's one of those dudes I think of as being born with white hair, like Steve Martin.
Okay, since I started this thread inspired by my trip to the comic-convention thought I'd share some stuff from it.
My camera/phone was being a bitch as I had it on a wrong setting so it took it longer to snap a picture than it should have, and the costume contest was a bit poorly executed to allow for picture taking. Wish I had gotten the picture of a raven-haired Batgirl she looked real good.
Anyway, these were the finalists in the teenager category for best costume. They're dressed up as Black Canary, Wonder Woman and a Jawa respectively, the Jawa ended up winning. (A $50 "gift certificate" to be spent anywhere in the show.)
The finalists in the adult catagory, Bale Batman, a female Tusken Raider and a Batman Animated Series inspired Mr. Freeze. Mr Freeze ended up winning. (This was the category the red-haired Batgirl was in.)
The comic-style drawing of Hugh Laurie as Dr. Gregory House done by Bryan Ward, framed by me. I had to trim a bit of the excess paper from the edges to get the picture to fit as it was an odd shape (8.5 x 14.)
My signed picture of Alaina Huffman, she's on/was on Stargate Universe but I know her as the Black Canary from Smallville. In first appearances she doesn't look too good and much like a butch biker lesbian, in some of her later appearances with her hair down she looks much better and her appearance in person is very nice. Sweet and kind woman got to chat with her for a few minutes before some nerd came up moaning about SG:U being canceled or something. Anyway, she signed the Smallville promo piece (selected by me as I wanted something indicative of her Smallville work but there was nothing there than featured her very nicely, and the photoshoot stuff of her was Maxim/scantly dressed stuff I opted not to go for as it struck me as a bit creepy. Didn't want to be "that kind of" fan. She signed it "To Brian :heart: A.H. XO" For the purposes of display I simply printed out an IMDB photo of her and MSPainted over the logos in stuff that were in the B/G.
And then there's my DVDs.
My camera/phone was being a bitch as I had it on a wrong setting so it took it longer to snap a picture than it should have, and the costume contest was a bit poorly executed to allow for picture taking. Wish I had gotten the picture of a raven-haired Batgirl she looked real good.
Anyway, these were the finalists in the teenager category for best costume. They're dressed up as Black Canary, Wonder Woman and a Jawa respectively, the Jawa ended up winning. (A $50 "gift certificate" to be spent anywhere in the show.)
The finalists in the adult catagory, Bale Batman, a female Tusken Raider and a Batman Animated Series inspired Mr. Freeze. Mr Freeze ended up winning. (This was the category the red-haired Batgirl was in.)
The comic-style drawing of Hugh Laurie as Dr. Gregory House done by Bryan Ward, framed by me. I had to trim a bit of the excess paper from the edges to get the picture to fit as it was an odd shape (8.5 x 14.)
My signed picture of Alaina Huffman, she's on/was on Stargate Universe but I know her as the Black Canary from Smallville. In first appearances she doesn't look too good and much like a butch biker lesbian, in some of her later appearances with her hair down she looks much better and her appearance in person is very nice. Sweet and kind woman got to chat with her for a few minutes before some nerd came up moaning about SG:U being canceled or something. Anyway, she signed the Smallville promo piece (selected by me as I wanted something indicative of her Smallville work but there was nothing there than featured her very nicely, and the photoshoot stuff of her was Maxim/scantly dressed stuff I opted not to go for as it struck me as a bit creepy. Didn't want to be "that kind of" fan. She signed it "To Brian :heart: A.H. XO" For the purposes of display I simply printed out an IMDB photo of her and MSPainted over the logos in stuff that were in the B/G.
And then there's my DVDs.
