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Multiple Crises on Earth

^ Posting entire song lyrics? That's not a problem. Posting an entire copyrighted article or story is, however. Are you sure that's not what RJ meant?
 
Shit happens.
Somebody's got to deal with it so who are you ganna call? Seriously though, I see the Mid-East problem getting worse before it gets better. The 21st century is going to be a teenager soon so massive change is bound to happen. Throughout history things like this have always happened. The problem we face today is the Earth is over populated and the consequences of our actions are more dire. That's why we see hundreds of thousands die in disasters instead of just a few hundred or a few thousand. We live in the atomic age, we have the ability to destroy humanity so easily. If you interpit the 2012 prophecy as the end of the world as we know it, then yeah I believe a great change is coming. It does seem like something is coming to a head.
 
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^ Posting entire song lyrics? That's not a problem. Posting an entire copyrighted article or story is, however. Are you sure that's not what RJ meant?
He's right. That is, or was, the policy. We can double check to see if that's still the case.
 
^ Posting entire song lyrics? That's not a problem. Posting an entire copyrighted article or story is, however. Are you sure that's not what RJ meant?
He's right. That is, or was, the policy. We can double check to see if that's still the case.

Wow, how weird. This is the first I've heard of it being enforced as either a poster or a mod. I'm not doubting you, it's just that it's such a strange line in the sand to draw considering we have entire threads made up of YouTube videos of copyrighted songs in their entirety, which contain all the lyrics if you wanted to waste time writing them all down.

It's not like an article where if you post it in its entirety people have no incentive to follow the link back to the original site. I don't know of anyone that ever read the lyrics of a song, liked it, and then were satisfied with just having the lyrics alone. Where's the damage to the market value of the copyrighted work? Where's the incentive to profit from it here? How are the lyrics alone a substantial enough amount of the copyrighted material to be an issue? Usually the lyrics are used primarily for parody or educational purposes. It would seem like we'd be covered on fair use grounds.

I'm not expecting you to have to answer these questions, RJ (unless you want to), I was just curious about it and hoping one of the board's attorneys or musicians might have some idea of the legality of it.
 
For what it's worth, I remember sites being sued for posting whole song lyrics a few years ago. But that wasn't in the US, I think. I find it just as silly as you do, Locutus, but that's true for most of the copyright laws.
 
Unfortunately, I have come to the conclusion that people suffer all over the world all the time (in past, present and almost certainly future). The thing that changes over time is the amount of information you get about this which leads to different perspective and feelings.

I am a firm believer that this planet has everything we need to feed us all and that we as humans have the knowledge and technology to be protected as much as possible from natural disasters. However, I also believe that this will never happen because humans think and act with their wallet and not with their heart.

So, IMO, the biggest crisis on earth is human mentality.

Just my 2 cents, along with all my best thoughts for people in need on our small world.
 
I am a firm believer that this planet has everything we need to feed us all and that we as humans have the knowledge and technology to be protected as much as possible from natural disasters. However, I also believe that this will never happen because humans think and act with their wallet and not with their heart.


Trying to creating infallible defenses against all possible natural disasters would consume a lot of time and resources, which would mean sacrificing some quality of life.

And even with that effort, could we defend ourselves from a river of lava from an erupting volcano? or a spreading forest fire? flooding from a burst river or storm surge? a hurricane? a tornado? or a tsunami?

Having fallible defenses, and having good resilience is arguably a better strategy for optimising quality of life.

Also, people can choose to not live near to these hazards, yet they often choose to do so. eg, people continue to buy houses in picturesque river valleys/flood plains, and are then devastated when the river does bursts it's banks and their village is flooded 2 metres deep.
 
While the loss of life in the Middle East is tragic, the people of those many countries rising up against tyrannical regimes of their own accord is a good thing, regardless of what the final outcome may be.


Shouldn't that be "depending on what the final outcome might be"?
 
I think people need to realize that natural disatsters can and will occur. If you live in a flood plane or in an earthquake prone area then you must accept that your house may be destroyed. 100 years ago it wasn't that big of a deal if LA. got hit with an earthquake, now it is because millions of people live there. Can you tell everyone to leave and ban that area, no, but you can make stronger buildings and take precautions.

With man made disasters, we made them, we can fix them.
 
While the loss of life in the Middle East is tragic, the people of those many countries rising up against tyrannical regimes of their own accord is a good thing, regardless of what the final outcome may be.

Shouldn't that be "depending on what the final outcome might be"?

No, I meant what I said. Even if people in some of those countries ultimately fail in their goal of regime change this time, that doesn't diminish their efforts, which can serve as inspiration to their peers in the future, attract international attention to their plight, or prompt their respective governments to reconsider their treatment of the people (even if it's done for self-serving reasons like wanting to remain in power).
 
^ Posting entire song lyrics? That's not a problem. Posting an entire copyrighted article or story is, however. Are you sure that's not what RJ meant?
He's right. That is, or was, the policy. We can double check to see if that's still the case.

Wow, how weird. This is the first I've heard of it being enforced as either a poster or a mod. I'm not doubting you, it's just that it's such a strange line in the sand to draw considering we have entire threads made up of YouTube videos of copyrighted songs in their entirety, which contain all the lyrics if you wanted to waste time writing them all down.

It's not like an article where if you post it in its entirety people have no incentive to follow the link back to the original site. I don't know of anyone that ever read the lyrics of a song, liked it, and then were satisfied with just having the lyrics alone. Where's the damage to the market value of the copyrighted work? Where's the incentive to profit from it here? How are the lyrics alone a substantial enough amount of the copyrighted material to be an issue? Usually the lyrics are used primarily for parody or educational purposes. It would seem like we'd be covered on fair use grounds.

I'm not expecting you to have to answer these questions, RJ (unless you want to), I was just curious about it and hoping one of the board's attorneys or musicians might have some idea of the legality of it.
As I remember it, it was the same issue as Posting full articles; I have a vague recollection of an ongoing "Post Your Favorite Lyrics" Thread that had to be shut down. Maybe it was just the result of the outbreak of lawsuits mentioned by Count Zero and it blew over. In any case, the word from Bonz is that it's okay, so we have no problem here.
 
I remember when I started a music dedication thread last year, it was pointed out that I wasnt supposed to post the entire lyric, or any lyrics, for that matter. Good to know the ban has been lifted.
 
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