Is Star Trek 12 going to be a "rush job"?

[Agenda]

Isn't three years the usual period between sequels?

 

[MvRojo]

Isn't three years the usual period between sequels?

Depends on the franchise. HP started out every year, and then switched to 1.5 years (excluding the final film). Batman is doing 3 years. Transformers is 2 years. Trek was 2 years most of the time for the first 10 films.

 

[Beyerstein]

That spider-man movie that's sposedta come out around the same time we've already seen images from.

 

[Nerd unRage]

These other projects were announced way after and during the time the three people responsible for writing the script for Paramount were supposed to be writing the script.

"Supposed to be writing" under whose orders? The other projects that were announced also have earlier release dates or are already out. Therefore, there is no reason for them to work on Star Trek first and push off those other projects when those actually have a higher priority at that time. They actually worked on them in the order that they were required to. The timeline for a while now was that Star Trek XII's script was to be written during the winter. It's being written now and has been for a while.

Also, Bob Orci gave an explanation on TrekMovie from someone asking about their timelines, etc. That I really believe needs to be given a serious read:

http://trekmovie.com/2011/01/14/jj-...till-being-written-paramount-wants-it-in-3-d/

thanks, but lets get even more into it.

Alex and I have our deal at Dreamworks. they pay our bills, give us offices, executives, and have generally given us amazing opportunities. They are our main home for movies. So consider this… our home studio gets NOTHING out of Star Trek. Nonetheless, Spielberg not only wished us well when we went off to write it, he actually helped us convince JJ to direct it.

So when SS then comes to us and says he’d like us to produce Cowboys and Aliens for our home studio between Treks, after everything he has done for us (and for Trek), u figure we r just supposed to spit in his face?

the above is just one of a half dozen considerations that might shed light on our decision making process. one of the few i can talk about, but one of the most instructive.

Some thing that needs to be understood, especially in the entertainment business, is that things aren't always as simple and they may think until they actually get involved in it, this from someone who has been exposed to this for much of my life.

This is why I cringe when people criticize music artists for, let's say, constant re-releases of older material in some attempt to "milk the fans," when artists a lot of times may not even have control over that. Or in a much closer to home example that there was "no reason" why Abrams & Co. couldn't have built an engineering section or couldn't have done done a story that was set in the prime universe, etc. There are generally a lot of things that go on in consideration for these sorts of things that are generally not made public since they usually involve boring tedious details, legal mumbo jumbo, things that maybe aren't meant to be publicly disclosed, etc. Basically boring stuff that isn't worth the artist or whomever to dive into publicly. I'm sure it wouldn't be a good idea to include a DVD extra on the legalities between Paramount and CBS on this film and why the alternate universe was done, etc. This falls under what Orci means when he says, "the above is just one of a half dozen considerations that might shed light on our decision making process. one of the few i can talk about, but one of the most instructive."

Now I will not proclaim to speak for these guys by any means or know what's going on with them, etc, however, it might be safe to assume they aren't getting all of these opportunities because they have a reputation of being constantly late on deadlines or causing issues with the studios or the producers who bring them on. No matter what one might think of their work, they certainly don't come off (to me at least) as people who are less than cordial, professional and as accommodating as possible.

Moral of the story? Just relax. What we do know is that the script is currently being written (and the story has been worked on for quite a while now from last year I believe.) If the release date gets moved, it gets moved. It won't be the first time.

Excellent post and really informative. I appreciate someone pointing out that there's a ton of other behind the scenes stuff most of us know nothing or little about. Look at how long it's taken to get "The Hobbit" up and going.

And it's not a bad thing that everyone involved with creating the next movie have other projects. Just because things get announced, doesn't mean it's going to be done right away.

 

[Greg Cox]

Isn't three years the usual period between sequels?

Depends on the franchise. HP started out every year, and then switched to 1.5 years (excluding the final film). Batman is doing 3 years. Transformers is 2 years. Trek was 2 years most of the time for the first 10 films.

The original Star Wars movies were all three years apart.

 

[NX-01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzuRMthMzk

Hahaha!! Brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ-y6BWfUc&NR=1&feature=fvwp

LOVED THIS!!! Dunno how I hadn't seen this before.

 

[JarodRussell]

LOL

http://trekmovie.com/2011/02/05/chr...elay-trek-2012-shooting-but-not-release-date/

And as for what deadlines I meant:

Originally, the screenwriters promised the script for the Star Trek sequel would be done by Christmas 2009. Then it was Christmas 2010. Now it's still in the works.

http://io9.com/#!5747318/10-reasons-the-star-trek-2-screenplay-still-isnt-done

I was just think that if they publicy say "it's due for..." then it's also an official deadline given by the studio. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I think the Christmas 2010 thing was a studio deadline, the previous ones seemed to be self-imposed. I only say the thing about Christmas because Warner Bros and DC Ent got the script for "The Dark Knight Rises" just before everything shut down for Christmas. I'm guessing the Star Trek script will be complete by the end of April.

 

[Aike]

Yes, it will be a rush job where Orci and Kurtzman will cut and paste the ideas that have been presented on this very forum

 

[Irishman]

I just hope it's not a Klingon, Romulan, or Khan movie.

OR Time Travel!

 

[mic of orion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzuRMthMzk

that is so evil, but very funny

lol another funny vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ-y6BWfUc&NR=1&feature=fvwp

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yes, it will be a rush job where Orci and Kurtzman will cut and paste the ideas that have been presented on this very forum

Oh, please don't tell me that they'd incorporate fan ideas for what a Trek film ought to be like - that'll kill the Franchise dead for sure.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yes, it will be a rush job where Orci and Kurtzman will cut and paste the ideas that have been presented on this very forum

Oh, please don't tell me that they'd incorporate fan ideas for what a Trek film ought to be like - that'll kill the Franchise dead for sure.

Aww, these generalizations.... isn't a fan writing the script?

 

[Bishop76]

Yes, it will be a rush job where Orci and Kurtzman will cut and paste the ideas that have been presented on this very forum

Oh, please don't tell me that they'd incorporate fan ideas for what a Trek film ought to be like - that'll kill the Franchise dead for sure.

No kidding! I was going to try to post some funny example of that here, but really all you have to do is click on the Future of Trek forum to see peoples' real ideas - funnier than anything I could make up.

 

[number6]

I refer to my own sig line and Gene Roddenberry's own words.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yes, it will be a rush job where Orci and Kurtzman will cut and paste the ideas that have been presented on this very forum

Oh, please don't tell me that they'd incorporate fan ideas for what a Trek film ought to be like - that'll kill the Franchise dead for sure.

No kidding! I was going to try to post some funny example of that here, but really all you have to do is click on the Future of Trek forum to see peoples' real ideas - funnier than anything I could make up.

The Future of Trek forum is a sad place where people who were hooked on DS9 go to present mostly fanwank. Not that there's a problem with that, but I don't ever recall seeing a realistic plot suggestion in there even once, much less one that was even on course with what will be happening in the new movies.

Really, I don't think there have even been any significant plot suggestions for the new movie here. Most seem to fixate on the superficial.

 

[number6]

I'm not even remotely interested in the proposed fan ideas. These films aren't made by a committee of fans at a convention. They're made by people who are hired to write a film. Judging by what O and K have said, they are aiming for something that will be akin to what The Dark Night was for the new Batman franchise. That's something I want to see. I'm happy to leave the armchair fan ideas to the peanut gallery, who will hate the next film anyway.

 

[Bishop76]

I refer to my own sig line and Gene Roddenberry's own words.

Word. My favorite bad ideas are the ones where the poster thinks that a mass audience would clamor for a series about Klingons or Romulans or [insert favorite species here]. Sure thing - the real reason Enterprise failed was that it really needed to be a series about stereotyped warriors with latex foreheads... Audiences totally connect with that...

 

[number6]

Or how about putting a new crew on the Enterprise NCC-1701-P in the 31st century commanded by the love grandchild of Worf and Riker, learning to live together and coexist with the evil crab people who wear tu-tus and speak Esperanto, looking to conquer the galaxy by singing Slim Whitman tunes until the Martians' heads explode, until Kirk's bare chest comes back to life and kicks them in the kneecaps.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Fact is, it's out of all of our hands. Never under our control to begin with.

If we don't like the new movie, then we won't go to see it as many times, or even more than once, although each of us who wants it to be good will see it at least once.

On the other hand, would the studio care if it made many hundreds of millions of dollars and also all of us here hated it? Why should it care? I mean, that would seem like a good deal from their perspective, I think.

If it's a rush job to the degree that it hurts the film, then that's not on us here, because we won't lose any dough. So why worry? There was never any evidence that I saw that any fans [in the public at large] had any influence on STXI. Nor do I see it about to happen on STXII. So what's all the huffing and puffing about? Chill out bros, and let's see what they come up with.