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Of course, do authors really want people to have electronic digital copies of their signature?

What's the difference between that and a signature on a dead-wood book that's been scanned in? I dunno how authors would feel about it, or why they would be reticent to sign a piece of paper but not a tablet pc, but my guess is we'll find out soon enough as the world continues to transition more and more to eBooks.
 
Of course, do authors really want people to have electronic digital copies of their signature?

What's the difference between that and a signature on a dead-wood book that's been scanned in? I dunno how authors would feel about it, or why they would be reticent to sign a piece of paper but not a tablet pc, but my guess is we'll find out soon enough as the world continues to transition more and more to eBooks.


I guess I was wondering how easy it is to "copy" an electronic signature--and transfer it to other documents?
 
I guess I was wondering how easy it is to "copy" an electronic signature--and transfer it to other documents?

I'm guessing only slightly easier than scanning a written autograph and transferring it to other documents.
 
I guess I was wondering how easy it is to "copy" an electronic signature--and transfer it to other documents?

I'm guessing only slightly easier than scanning a written autograph and transferring it to other documents.

Yeah, there's very little difference. In fact, the only difference between the two would be however long it takes to scan in a clean version of the signature which in most cases, 30-60 seconds. That being said.....most software that deals with electronic sigs is far more secure than just allowing an end user to attach whatever signature they want to a document so I also think there's little security risk involved here.
 
But how satisfying would it be to the autograph-seeker to have the author's signature as simply an electronic file in some device? I thought the appeal of an autograph was as a tangible memento.

I figure it'll just end up being like autographs for other types of celebrity -- people will bring autograph books of their own, or the author will have cover flats printed up, or something like that.
 
Just a generic comment: I was always a "closet" Trek/Scifi fan (but pretty vocal about how great BSG was), but being there with so many people who shared the same passions, for the first time I felt...home. I honestly cannot wait to see you all there.

Nick

That's an almost univeral fannish response. I think most of us experienced something similar when we first discovered cons and fandom. Susan Palwick wrote a touching essay on the subject years ago for the New York Review of Science Fiction.

Hope you can make it. See you there!
 
But how satisfying would it be to the autograph-seeker to have the author's signature as simply an electronic file in some device? I thought the appeal of an autograph was as a tangible memento.

I dunno. I've never been compelled to get anyone's autograph before so I've never understood the traditional appeal much less what the future holds for people with such interests.

Speaking for myself only, if I were to collect autograph's I'd personally find the electronic versions more valuable because they'd be easier to store, back-up, reproduce, catalog and retrieve and there'd be far less chance of it being damaged or lost if I were good about backing up stuff.

For those who prefer the ink-on-paper approach and have adopted eBooks as their standard, I suspect you're correct in guessing that they'd either bring some autograph book or perhaps print a cover of the book on a piece of paper, have you sign it and then laminate it and store it that way.
 
^Back up an autograph? That seems pointless. The whole value of an autograph is its individuality -- it's proof that you were actually there, that you met the celebrity and interacted with them in some way. If you can just make a copy of an autograph, then it could just as easily be something you downloaded off the web.
 
^Back up an autograph? That seems pointless. The whole value of an autograph is its individuality -- it's proof that you were actually there, that you met the celebrity and interacted with them in some way. If you can just make a copy of an autograph, then it could just as easily be something you downloaded off the web.

:) Like I said, I've never understood why people want autographs in the first place so perhaps people who do collect them would find absolutely no value in having an electronic version for just the reasons you listed. And to be fair, even though I don't collect them, I could definitely see the logic in wanting to keep something like an autograph unique and thus more valuable.
 
Yeah, of course. The one time I actually have a chance at attending, the yanks mess up my Visa. Bloody hell, I just want to strangle somebody. And I don't really care who, as long as he or she works at the US Embassy in Stockholm.

Seriously, who gives a damn if I'm going to Maine or California? Its the same country for gods sake! Big freaking difference.
 
I've got some vacation time saved up at work, and I am seriously considering using it to go to the con. I'm hoping maybe I can convince a family member to come with, I've only traveled out of the state once in 10+ years, and never by myself.
 
Yeah, of course. The one time I actually have a chance at attending, the yanks mess up my Visa. Bloody hell, I just want to strangle somebody. And I don't really care who, as long as he or she works at the US Embassy in Stockholm.

Seriously, who gives a damn if I'm going to Maine or California? Its the same country for gods sake! Big freaking difference.
Just out of curiosity, how long a visit to the U.S. were you planning? I ask because Sweden is a signatory to the U.S. Visa Waiver Program. If you're a Swedish citizen and are planning a visit of shorter duration than 90 days for business or tourism, you don't need a visa to enter the U.S. Sure, you need to apply through ESTA, but all you have to do is tell them where you're coming from and where you'll be staying. It seems quite straightforward to me.
 
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Okay, you guys are confusing me... a Visa, capitalized, is a brand of credit card, but I think you're talking about a visa, uncapitalized, which is an immigration document.
 
That's an almost univeral fannish response. I think most of us experienced something similar when we first discovered cons and fandom.

Mine was when someone I really admired invited me to dinner with her. Made my convention. Talk about a fangirl squeeing inside. :D

Shore Leave is a blast. Can't wait 'til July. Hope though, that we don't get the triple-digit weather this time. Ugh. It was hotter in MD than it is in S FL in July and that's a rarity.
 
Just out of curiosity, how long a visit to the U.S. were you planning? I ask because Sweden is a signatory to the U.S. Visa Waiver Program. If you're a Swedish citizen and are planning a visit of shorter duration than 90 days for business or tourism, you don't need a visa to enter the U.S. Sure, you need to apply through ESTA, but all you have to do is tell them where you're coming from and where you'll be staying. It seems quite straightforward to me.

Unfortunately its a long story. There was a bit fuss about my dual citizenship (Sweden/Hungary) but that wasnt the problem. Thing is, I applied for a student visa back in 08 when i was supposed to spend a year in the states with the student exchange program. However I canceled that a few weeks after I applied. I was supposed to reside in Los Angeles, Californa. I had a friend, whom I was supposed to stay with, however he was killed overseas. And i didn't feel comfortable living with his wife, whom i didn't know at all at the time.

Now, my classmate talked me into going so I gathered the paperwork and applied again. This time for six months. But apparently they simply granted my first request for a visa. Problem is, that visa was for California, this time I'll reside in Maine.

I have no bloody clue why that's a problem, but i was told it is. Now I have to apply a third time and make sure everything is correct before they grant it.

I knew getting into the states was hard but this is ridiculous. I'm thinking of going to Mexico making a run for the border instead.

Okay, you guys are confusing me... a Visa, capitalized, is a brand of credit card, but I think you're talking about a visa, uncapitalized, which is an immigration document.

Sorry, I let spell check of its leash. "visa" as in immigration document.
 
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. What will happen to the tradition of book signings when we reach the point when most books are electronic? Maybe authors will sign cover flats or posters or cards that are printed up specifically for the occasion.

Well, it'd be a simple thing for a device to capture a signature on someone's tablet pc and attach it to an eBook. The problem is that the Kindle doesn't accept any sort of input, it's purely "eInk" so the Kindle wouldn't have any way of capturing an electronic signature.

The Nook and other eReaders are touch screen and as such, just need the software created to allow for someone to capture a signature. Really can't imagine it'd be that hard to write.....

Kindles can read PDF files, though. It sounds like a lot of work, but an author could sign something - say a bookplate or, as someone upthread suggested, a card made just for the occasion - then it could be scanned, saved as a PDF file, and transferred to the Kindle.

For now, at least. Until someone figures out how to give Kindles the same functionality as other devices.
 
Okay, you guys are confusing me... a Visa, capitalized, is a brand of credit card, but I think you're talking about a visa, uncapitalized, which is an immigration document.
I'm surprised that context alone wasn't enough to remove any confusion for you. It was for me.
 
^Back up an autograph? That seems pointless. The whole value of an autograph is its individuality -- it's proof that you were actually there, that you met the celebrity and interacted with them in some way. If you can just make a copy of an autograph, then it could just as easily be something you downloaded off the web.

I have collected a few limited edition signed & numbered books from writers I've never met, so it's more complicated than just proof you actually met the signer.

For example, I have a copy of The Making of Star Trek that I picked up from a used bookstore in the early '80's because they only wanted like $2 for it, and upon flipping through it, discovered Gene Roddenberry's signature on the page of lyrics to the Star Trek theme.

The only time I was in the same room as Roddenberry was at a con in LA in the summer of '77, and that was before I collected autographs (although I do have a copy of The Price of the Phoenix that I bought at the same con to have Marshak & Culbreath sign, before I knew any better) (it had just come out, and that was the first time I ever saw a copy, so I had to buy it.)

Anyway, even though I didn't obtain the autograph myself, I still treasure that Roddenberry autograph. I also imagine that it might, someday, have some value to another collector.

However, I'm not sure exactly how a I would regard a file with the author's autograph. In that case, I suppose it would only have value if I had obtained it myself -- it would "remind" me that I'd actually met her or him.

Yeah, I think that would work. I'd like to see someone develop an application that would allow me to hand my tablet/iPad/Kindle/Nook/whatever to a favorite author and have him/her "sign" an etext. I think that would be cool.

This reminds me of the time Alan Dean Foster signed 2 brown paper grocery bags full of paperbacks for me. I had only brought a few to a signing (leaving the rest in the car) but when I mentioned that I had them nearby, he told me he'd sign them all if I wanted. Of course I wanted! It's likely I have one of the only signed copies of the novelization to the Eastwood film Pale Rider. Foster is a class act.
 
^On a sad note, I was once browsing in The Strand, the huge used-book store in Manhattan, and came across a pristine h/c of a novel by one of my favorite authors.

Not only was the price a fraction of the list price, but he'd autographed it. !!! Naturally I grabbed it.

The heartbreaking part was that he'd personalized it to the editor who'd worked with him on the book, telling her in glowing words what a joy it had been to work with her.

Then his [expletive deleted] editor dumped it at The Strand. She probably got a dollar for it.

Yah, yah, I know. Maybe she ran out of space in her Tribeca loft and had to downsize somehow, but fer cryin' out loud....
 
^On an equally sad note, I realized years later that I'd donated some of the Foster-signed Star Trek Logs to a charity shop. It was a mistake, but they were LONG gone by the time I realized what I'd done. **SIGH!**
 
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