Far-Right-Wing Violence since January 2008

[ichab]

George W Bush was called a nazi by the left on countless occasions. Where was your calls for civility then?

False equivalence between a bunch of idiots bitching on the internet and elected representatives and media personalities.

Further, if your argument here is actually valid, then you might find interesting the incidences of domestic terrorism during the Bush years:
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search...e&ob=GTDID&od=desc&expanded=yes#results-table

As you can clearly see, while ELF/ALF continued to damage property, left wing organizations killed no one, certainly not on the scale we've been seeing the last few years. If the left's rhetoric was truly as bad then as the right is now, it demonstrates there is something different about the right wing. The data here does not support an equivalence between right and left wing terrorism in the last decade. I think there's a rhetoric difference, if you want to argue the right wing reacts differently that's certainly your prerogative.

Not for lack of trying, on their part... Just saying...

James Von Brunn
James Chester Blanning
Carol Ann Burger...

Town Hall article

Of course a lefty will be along soon to explain why these acts of violence are different. Either that or they'll attack your source. They're nothing if not consistent.

Forgot about Congressman Cohen who recently compared Republicans to Nazis.

I guess some(key word SOME) on the left will keep flogging this tragedy for all its worth. The only question is, for how long?

 

[fett51]

Of course a lefty will be along soon to explain why these acts of violence are different. Either that or they'll attack your source. They're nothing if not consistent.

I already did on the last page, except I attacked based on facts:

Nice of that article to leave out that Brunn was a birther and a BNP member, also Burger is just a murderer, not a domestic terrorist. Blanning certainly seems to fit the bill but the sourced article indicates he abandoned his attempt halfway through and shot himself.

There's also the facts that the ALF/ELF have not killed anyone and the weather underground was 50 years ago. I linked you yourself to the raw data for the last decade. The facts flat do not support an equivalence.

Forgot about Congressman Cohen who recently compared Republicans to Nazis.

I was wondering how long it would take you to bring that up. You may have also noticed pretty much everyone condemned it instantly. Offhand, Maddow said all nazi analogies were ridiculous, and Stewart devoted an entire segment to slamming Cohen.

 

[Gaith]

1) Why was this posted in Misc and not TNZ?

2) Are there any stronger ties between these violent incidents and the mainstream rightwing than what is listed? Because not a single example from the list would fly in a court of law.

1) There's no rule against (mostly) civil political talk in Misc.

2) Aye, but not all reasonable and humane conclusions can meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold of a judicial conviction.

Forgot about Congressman Cohen who recently compared Republicans to Nazis.

He argued that they were borrowing a Nazi propaganda technique, which isn't in of itself an incitement to violence. Beck and Co., on the other hand, flat-out call liberals Nazis all the time, and they mix those comparisons with explicitly violent imagery, and their supporters' ranks, by wild and unfathomable coincidence, just happen to have nearly all the gun nuts.

You also forgot that it was a Republican member of Congress who broadly hinted that a violent revolution would be awesome.

 

[ichab]

1) Why was this posted in Misc and not TNZ?

2) Are there any stronger ties between these violent incidents and the mainstream rightwing than what is listed? Because not a single example from the list would fly in a court of law.

1) There's no rule against (mostly) civil political talk in Misc.

2) Aye, but not all reasonable and humane conclusions can meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold of a judicial conviction.

Forgot about Congressman Cohen who recently compared Republicans to Nazis.

He argued that they were borrowing a Nazi propaganda technique, which isn't in of itself an incitement to violence. Beck and Co., on the other hand, flat-out call liberals Nazis all the time, and they mix those comparisons with explicitly violent imagery, and their supporters' ranks, by wild and unfathomable coincidence, just happen to have nearly all the gun nuts.

You also forgot that it was a Republican member of Congress who broadly hinted that a violent revolution would be awesome.

And?

 

[RJDiogenes]

1) Why was this posted in Misc and not TNZ?

Why not?

2) Are there any stronger ties between these violent incidents and the mainstream rightwing than what is listed? Because not a single example from the list would fly in a court of law.

Of course not; and they shouldn't. The ties are that they are all part of the spectrum of Right Wing anti-American ideology that runs the gamut from pathetic Birthers to swastika-tattooed private militias.

3) If rightwing violence in the USA is a growing threat, how should it be dealt with?

Education. Backbone. Activism.

 

[bigdaddy]

Add another to the list...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_terrorist_threat

 

[ichab]

Add another to the list...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_terrorist_threat

The "things we'll blame on the right" list?

 

[bigdaddy]

Add another to the list...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_terrorist_threat

The "things we'll blame on the right" list?

When they are at fault then yes they will get the blame.

 

[ichab]

Add another to the list...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_terrorist_threat

The "things we'll blame on the right" list?

When they are at fault then yes they will get the blame.

Only from people with a predisposed disposition against the right wing. Sane people will see it for what it is.

 

[fett51]

The "things we'll blame on the right" list?

When they are at fault then yes they will get the blame.

Only from people with a predisposed disposition against the right wing. Sane people will see it for what it is.

So people who see a link between anti-muslim hatemongering and anti-muslim terrorism are insane? You wanna actually explain yourself or you just going to keep hurling out ad-hominems?

 

[Gaith]

Yeah, I'd say that this counts. I doubt this guy was pissed at the Muslims' lack of support for Ralph Nader, dipshit that he is.

 

[Garak]

Add another to the list...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_terrorist_threat

Fireworks. Scary stuff.

 

[fett51]

Fireworks. Scary stuff.

Hey, we started mandating groin fondling after a man set fire to his genitals. Compared to that illegal fireworks are absolutely terrifying. He might've ignited the drapes.

I suppose we should be thankful the anti-muslim terrorists are just as incompetent as the muslim ones.

 

[marillion]

Yeah, I'd say that this counts. I doubt this guy was pissed at the Muslims' lack of support for Ralph Nader, dipshit that he is.

No.. It doesn't count whatsoever... Until there's expanded covereage that provides evidence that this guy is a right wing wacko, then there is no connection...

Or are you saying that anyone who commits a crime against muslims is automatically right wing?

If that's the case, I'll take this opportunity to call BS..

 

[Gaith]

Aaand, let's not forget proposed laws in Nebraska and South Dakota that wink-wink, nudge-nudge hint at legal loopholes for murdering abortion-providing doctors...

 

[Subcommander R.]

Aaand, let's not forget proposed laws in Nebraska and South Dakota that wink-wink, nudge-nudge hint at legal loopholes for murdering abortion-providing doctors...

Fortunately last I heard those were getting blocked. Really no matter how you feel about abortion murdering someone is always wrong.

People are too ready to turn to violence now. Its the 'all-or-nothing take-no-prisoners' mentality thats says any dissent makes you the bastard child of Hitler and Satan.

Regrettably I don't think this is entirely on the right wing. There's non-aligned persons out there too who are just as disturbed. If you turn on the tv or the radio in the US and take it seriously, you will be believing in about ten minutes that there is some imminent threat to democracy and that everything is on the verge of nazism. And we've had this rhetoric for several years. No nazism. Just violence.