^ No that would invalidate the purpose of the Rule of Two. One Sith Lord and one apprentice.
the Sith Rule of Two Is Stupid
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So again, if Sidious is a Sith Lord then what is Dooku and Assajj Ventress?
That's not the kind of "balance" they're talking about in the movies. The dark side is unnatural and it disrupts the natural order of the Force. Bringing balance to the Force means removing the taint of the dark side from it and restoring harmony to it. Lucas once described the Force as a lake; when the Force is in balance, the lake is calm, still, and harmonious. The dark side is like throwing a rock into the lake, disrupting the calm and causing chaos, thus throwing the Force out of balance.
Dooku is the apprentice "Darth Tyrannus" and Ventress technically is a Dark Jedi who is waiting to become Dooku's apprentice. Before recently Sidious had taken to completely ignore her.
I think we need more information on Sith psychology before we can answer this. I've wondered about this stuff myself but the Sith are portrayed so one dimensionally, I don't know whether it could make sense if we knew more.
Are they so devoted to self-interest that it doesn't bother them to be around another person who is likewise (I mean hey, they can't criticize)? Do they think Jedi are big fat hypocrites and it's refreshing to have someone honest to pal around with? Are they so overconfident that they always think when it comes to the big throw-down, they'll be the one who wins? Or are they simply insane?
I do know Ventress was a moron for expecting loyalty from Dooku. She's acting like his betrayal is some big surprise!
Also from TCW:
Supposedly there is no Dark Side now, just one continuum of power that is the Force, in which case, the supply of Dark Side Force is inexhaustible (it's as big as the amount of evil in the galaxy, and if everyone in the galaxy were evil, the Force would be 100% Dark Side), so how could the Jedi think the Sith were extinct? Had evil gone exinct?
So Ventress isn't technically a Sith?
If it's the EU then "stupid" pretty much is a given.
Ventress is a Dark Jedi so no she's not a Sith. It would be appropriate to call her a Sith wannabe.
Ok, got it.
What about Kato from the Pink Panther? This butler manservant was ordered to "try" to kill his master at every opportunity so that he would be on his toes against a real threat should it also too try to sneak up on him.
Actually I too have wondered about the rule of 2. But my "wonderings" were in the opposite direction.
Let's say I'm an evil Sith Lord. Would I brook anybody else having the same knowledge? Heck, no - I'd kill all other Siths and be the All-Powerful-And-Only-Sith-Lord.
So far so good.
But why would I take an apprentice and teach him the ways of the Dark Side? What do I gain out of teaching anybody what the Dark Side is all about? Seems to me I only get a potential rival (which I will be able to beat down initially but if left to continue will kill and replace me) if I do that. Better that there be no more Sith. Only me. And once I die (assuming I can't combat old age), I'll be legendary as the "Last Lord of Sith" - nice ring to it.
So why would I *want* to take on an apprentice? If it's torture/domination or whatever, why wouldn't I torture just about anybody? Why apprentice?
Let's say I'm an evil Sith Lord. Would I brook anybody else having the same knowledge? Heck, no - I'd kill all other Siths and be the All-Powerful-And-Only-Sith-Lord.
So far so good.
But why would I take an apprentice and teach him the ways of the Dark Side? What do I gain out of teaching anybody what the Dark Side is all about? Seems to me I only get a potential rival (which I will be able to beat down initially but if left to continue will kill and replace me) if I do that. Better that there be no more Sith. Only me. And once I die (assuming I can't combat old age), I'll be legendary as the "Last Lord of Sith" - nice ring to it.
So why would I *want* to take on an apprentice? If it's torture/domination or whatever, why wouldn't I torture just about anybody? Why apprentice?
^ The Sith also need someone to take on their legacy...pride has something to do with this as well. If you are the only Sith left in the galaxy what's the point of that? There is no legacy for you to leave behind. You can bask in the glory of your conquest all you like but a Sith still has a need to pass things down...even for their own means.
I wonder if there have been any Two of Two couples?
I wonder if there have been any Two of Two couples?
Yes, but they didn't last long once the kid (read: "My heir!") was born.
And Sith divorce doesn't involve lawyers.
And Sith divorce doesn't involve lawyers.
The point of that is you can be like Alexander (the man who conquered the Galaxy and killed of the Jedi) rather than the man who is just the founder of the latest Sith dynasty who was assassinated (in his sleep or some such by the next Sith ruler)
Palpatines deformity.
It was most certainly damage from blow back trying to zap Mace Windu, but the alternate theory I've heard is that the the fallout form the fight just shredded the masking "spell" on his tumours and scoliosis of the face caused from abusing the Force, hell it's been suggested that Yoda's "appearance" might be what the light side of the force does to someone after it's kept them breathing for 800 years past their expected expiry date...
Tumours, probably their body wracking and twisting and the batshittery as the brain meat wrings like a sponge making sanity next to impossible... Well, personally when it got too bad you'd want a plan in place to have someone dispose of you gracefully before you started fighting Jedi with flaming bags of dooh dooh.
But it's a really vicious argument that the apprentice is saying that it's time to put down the Master because he's bonkers and embarrassing, but he's saying he's fine even though the force is turning his spine into a question mark and the Sith Lord should welcome a light sabre blow job if not for the fact that he has so much more left to do in the next thousand years or so the Force can keep him alive even if his mind is away with the fairies.
It was most certainly damage from blow back trying to zap Mace Windu, but the alternate theory I've heard is that the the fallout form the fight just shredded the masking "spell" on his tumours and scoliosis of the face caused from abusing the Force, hell it's been suggested that Yoda's "appearance" might be what the light side of the force does to someone after it's kept them breathing for 800 years past their expected expiry date...
Tumours, probably their body wracking and twisting and the batshittery as the brain meat wrings like a sponge making sanity next to impossible... Well, personally when it got too bad you'd want a plan in place to have someone dispose of you gracefully before you started fighting Jedi with flaming bags of dooh dooh.
But it's a really vicious argument that the apprentice is saying that it's time to put down the Master because he's bonkers and embarrassing, but he's saying he's fine even though the force is turning his spine into a question mark and the Sith Lord should welcome a light sabre blow job if not for the fact that he has so much more left to do in the next thousand years or so the Force can keep him alive even if his mind is away with the fairies.
That is contradicted by various sources, including Ian McDiarmid, Dark Lord, Sithisis, and the original CW cartoon. Meanwhile, the gradual decay due to the dark side has continued to be supported in sources such as KOTOR and the Bane trilogy.
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I hate it.
I wish the enemy army in the prequel trilogy had been an ARMY OF SITH instead of the stupid Trade Federation and Seperatists.
I wish the enemy army in the prequel trilogy had been an ARMY OF SITH instead of the stupid Trade Federation and Seperatists.
If Sith are driven by total selfishness, then why would they care what happens after they're dead? Yeah the more we delve into it, the less sense it makes. An occupational hazard when dealing with all that Force jazz.
I love the Rule of Two. The idea that essential two individuals (okay, really a handful of Sith Lords from Palpatine to Vader) took down the whole Jedi Order was pretty sweet. By having just two operating at any one time it forces them to rely on something besides brute strength, it encourages guile and cunning, etc.
Whereas the Jedi Order grew too complacent, the Banite Sith never did. They couldn't afford to. As for the passing on the knowledge, I think that's a good point made about why would any Sith do that, but I agree with the poster that pride has something to do with why a Sith Lord seeks an apprentice, their philosophy/belief system, and I think the challenge of finding someone that can best them (preferably not in their sleep). The way I think Bane envisioned the ascension of a Sith Lord was not how Palpatine achieved mastery, IMO, he didn't best Plagueis. Then again, he did catch the man sleeping, so perhaps its does fit within the idea of overcoming your master to become a master yourself.
The cool thing about Star Wars EU is there are different kinds of Sith. I loved the brief scene in Legacy, can't remember if it was a dream, where Krayt was accosted by Bane and other Sith ghosts who berated him for betraying the Rule of Two. I think the Bane books really gave a good explanation for why Bane thought up the rule and why two Sith Lords worked better than an army of them, who diluted each other. With two, you should have the strongest, the best.
Now, I think Krayt has sort of turned the idea of too many Sith diluting their power somewhat on its ear by seeming to make his One Sith almost like an expression of his singular will, where he can actually telepathically communicate with them. I think the Sith Emperor from The Old Republic game might be able to do something similar. That's lightyears away from the situation Bane experienced with the relatively weak Brotherhood of Darkness, where each Lord considered themselves the equal of the other to some extent.
Also the Lost Tribe of Sith seem okay with being ruled by a Council of Lords.
Whereas the Jedi Order grew too complacent, the Banite Sith never did. They couldn't afford to. As for the passing on the knowledge, I think that's a good point made about why would any Sith do that, but I agree with the poster that pride has something to do with why a Sith Lord seeks an apprentice, their philosophy/belief system, and I think the challenge of finding someone that can best them (preferably not in their sleep). The way I think Bane envisioned the ascension of a Sith Lord was not how Palpatine achieved mastery, IMO, he didn't best Plagueis. Then again, he did catch the man sleeping, so perhaps its does fit within the idea of overcoming your master to become a master yourself.
The cool thing about Star Wars EU is there are different kinds of Sith. I loved the brief scene in Legacy, can't remember if it was a dream, where Krayt was accosted by Bane and other Sith ghosts who berated him for betraying the Rule of Two. I think the Bane books really gave a good explanation for why Bane thought up the rule and why two Sith Lords worked better than an army of them, who diluted each other. With two, you should have the strongest, the best.
Now, I think Krayt has sort of turned the idea of too many Sith diluting their power somewhat on its ear by seeming to make his One Sith almost like an expression of his singular will, where he can actually telepathically communicate with them. I think the Sith Emperor from The Old Republic game might be able to do something similar. That's lightyears away from the situation Bane experienced with the relatively weak Brotherhood of Darkness, where each Lord considered themselves the equal of the other to some extent.
Also the Lost Tribe of Sith seem okay with being ruled by a Council of Lords.
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