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The Making Of ST-TMP....

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I'm near the end reading The Making Of Star Trek - The Motion Picture by Susan Sackett. Curiously I never managed to read this all these years and only now got hold of a copy.

It's an okay book with some interesting tidbits. It's interesting to read a work about Star Trek with a perspective that isn't coloured by everything else that has since followed in its wake. One thing that impresses me is the level of thought that went into this film. A lot of folks bash the story (then and today) but they did seem to put a lot of thought into it, a fact I can appreciate. No matter what one thinks very little (if anything) of the film was put on the screen arbitrarily.

The book does lean to affirming my appreciation of TMP partly because it doesn't follow the usual movie sci-fi conventions. It's not about run-and-jump and space battles which Star Wars had just popularized. It's about something more which for me elevates it above the usual sci-fi feature.

I would like the book to have been somewhat more like The Making Of Star Trek by Stephen E. Whitfield. That book gave us a look at the TOS universe as well a behind-the-scenes look at making a television show like Star Trek. The TMP era is barely glimpsed and only through some of the thinking behind the film's ideas. That in itself isn't wholly bad because we learn how they arrived at certain decisions. I did find it neat learning the intent behind the Enterprise display in the rec-room and that the ringship was indeed meant to be the first and only starship named Enterprise before the famed TOS 1701. :techman:

In the end it does reaffirm in my mind that the film's flaws when released were basically two: Paramount's rush to release it and thus not allowing proper time to finish post-production as it should have been, and the story needing a little more character drama. I really don't have a problem with the essential story itself.
 
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Well it is without question the best of all the Star Trek movies. Its the only one that aspired to more than being a simple action adventure - it really did aim very high. Sure, it didn't quite make it but I admire it for the attempt. They were trying to say something with the film other than "give us your money!"

Of course, the success of Star Wars did motivate lots of studios to make a quick buck on the wave of sci fi enthusiasm that Star Wars generated, but Paramount sure didn't choose the easiest path to doing so with TMP. A somewhat cerebral and ambiguous story packed with imagery, allegory and existential questions was definitely not the safe choice. Did it pay off? Yes and no. ST:TMP was one of the biggest grossing films of 1979 and in absolute terms it sold more tickets than each the next two Trek outings. But the budget, including as it did, all the pre-production costs of the unmade Phase II series, as well as the cost overruns generated by production difficulties, meant it wasn't as profitable as the studio hoped and from their perspective it was a disappointment but by no means the "failure" it is sometimes made out to be.
 
^^ In terms of cost Paramount had no one to really blame but themselves. They couldn't decide what they wanted and then they saddled the film with the aborted TV series' costs which I don't think was fair.

As far as the story, well...I think they had images of Star Wars in their heads and they might not have understood TMP. Indeed a lot of moviegoers might have thought the same thing.

Even today when I talk to people about TOS what often comes up are the caricatures and cliches that colour their impressions and ideas of what the show was. The films themselves later pandered to that with the prominence of the Klingons when during TOS the Klingons weren't seen that often. It's therefore quite understandable why TWOK is so popular because it leans more towards the common expectations. And ST09 is the perfect example of slavishly pandering to the lowest denominator and cliches---it's shows TOS as what a lot of folks think TOS was like as opposed to what it really was (...hmm, I gotta wonder if there is anyone out there who saw ST09, got curious about TOS (having never seen it) and came away thinking that the film bore little semblance to the series and came away preferring the series :lol: ).

I certainly don't think TMP is a failure even if it stumbled. I'd rather see honest effort than never even trying. It has certainly aged better than any of the others.

I also like how this book captures some of the feeling of Trek fandom in those days. At that point all we had was TOS and TAS reruns and a handful of books (episode adaptations, a few original novels and a few reference books). Of course we also had conventions, fanzines and a lot of enthusiasm. We didn't even have episodes available on VHS unless you had the money to record them yourself (commercials and all).
 
Well, I've just finished reading the book and I find it a bit weak in the end. And the main reason is because it ends on the note of the film's postproduction work being completed. But it doesn't address the postproduction's shortcomings or how the film was generally received and why. As such the book feels incomplete...somewhat like the film that it's about.

Sackett says she patterned the book after The Making Of Star Trek and I can see some of that, but I don't think she went far enough. As I mentioned earlier we don't really get a look at Trek universe in the TMP era like TMOST did with the TOS era. There are photographs, but again not like how images were presented in TMOST, and there are no drawings or schematics like we've seen published before.

It isn't a bad book, but I do find it a little disappointing. But I'm still glad I finally got around to reading it. In that vein I'd like to read The Making Of Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan as well as Captain's Log, the making of STV-TFF.
 
I've often wondered how much of the film's turbulent production might've been edited out of the book, as, let's face it, the idea of most Making Of books is to promote the film, not point out its problems.
 
Sackett's contracted delivery date probably required the manuscript to be in prior to the movie's premiere so that Simon and Schuster could get it out within a few months as a movie tie-in - lead time on these things was longer in those days.

Unlike Poe/Whitfield, Sackett didn't have a clue what people working on movies actually did for a living so her book is riddled with inaccuracies such as, for example, ascribing a much greater creative/design role to the property master than the position actually entailed.
 
There is a very obscure but informative book about the making of all six TOS cast movies from 1992 called "Trek: The Making of the Movies".
http://www.amazon.com/Trek-Unauthor...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295335197&sr=1-1

The author provides a lot of background from inception to completion on each film, but spends most of his time on TMP. He discusses Sackett's book and points out many omissions. There's an implication that she may have been asked to clean up the messy background of the movie and mis-assign blame. I'm sorry I can't remember specifics.

While Mr. Van Hise's book is a good read, there are a shocking number of typos, which makes me wonder if it's been through the vetting that a large publisher would provide. Or I might just have an advanced proof copy.
 
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And ST09 is the perfect example of slavishly pandering to the lowest denominator and cliches---it's shows TOS as what a lot of folks think TOS was like as opposed to what it really was



Very well put. You kinda just summed up the way I felt about the new movie, but never could quite put into words. While there were certain things I liked about it, when it was all said and done, I really didn't feel like it was TOS.

OTOH, TMP to me was what Star Trek should've been from the start, if GR & Co. had had a proper budget in the 60s. Yeah, TMP had flaws, but it strove to be a real science fiction film, rather than science fantasy or just sci-fi adventure. It was, and still is, the Thinking Man's Trek.
 
Here is a link to a vintage featurette reel of (the making of) TMP. It has also been uploaded to YouTube, but my employer has block that website. I think the YouTube version might have a better quality of this video. At the 6 minute mark is when Persis Khambatta gets her head shaved. I remember a still photograph of this in the making of tmp book. Gene Roddenberry gives her a gag gift to cheer her up in this video.


Navigator NCC-2120 USS Entente
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And ST09 is the perfect example of slavishly pandering to the lowest denominator and cliches---it's shows TOS as what a lot of folks think TOS was like as opposed to what it really was



Very well put. You kinda just summed up the way I felt about the new movie, but never could quite put into words. While there were certain things I liked about it, when it was all said and done, I really didn't feel like it was TOS.

OTOH, TMP to me was what Star Trek should've been from the start, if GR & Co. had had a proper budget in the 60s. Yeah, TMP had flaws, but it strove to be a real science fiction film, rather than science fantasy or just sci-fi adventure. It was, and still is, the Thinking Man's Trek.

I feel I should just mention that as a fan, defender and promoter of ST:TMP as the best Trek film, I still thoroughly enjoyed the Abrams film and in many ways I consider it the second best to ST:TMP. Conceptually and tonally it is at the far opposite end of the spectrum from TMP but being released 30 years after that film I see it as both and ending and a beginning. I think its a worthy book-end to 30 years of Trek movies.

I still don't really know why lots of Trek fans feel threatened by this film giving people "the wrong idea about TOS" - so what? Its not as if most people ever had the "right" idea about it either, as the general ridicule and marginalization of "Trek geeks" in society shows. So, its not an accurate reflection of what TOS was really about but the general acceptance of the film by fans and non-fans and its good box office performance - this film made Trek cool and socially acceptable perhaps for the first time ever. I can't see how that is a bad thing.

But then I like ST:TMP and am therefore certifiably insane according to most Trek fans so what do I know?
 
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But then I like ST:TMP and am therefore certifiably insane according to most Trek fans so what do I know?


Well, that's two of us then, :lol:

Seriously though, most of your thoughts and comments mirror my own. I didn't dislike ST09 completely, only certain elements that simply didn't work for me. Overall, as a movie, it's a good film... I just don't feel that it was great Star Trek, my opinion only. But as you said, it makes for an interesting 'bookend' to over 30 years of Trek movies.

And again, I also freely admit that TMP had its flaws, but for whatever reason, I love the look and feel of the film... Probably for the very same reasons I like 2001 as well.

At times, I'm simply glad to have found other folks here who appreciate the first film as much as I do.

:)
 
Today I've begun to read (reread actually) ST-TMP the novel, a book I haven't read in about twenty-five years.

I'm only a few chapters in, just prior to the refit E's launch. I will say that like the film itself in some respects this reads something like a science fiction story as opposed to simply a Trek story. I think it's partially due to some of GR's ideas that weren't translated to or as obvious onscreen. He also writes it with something of an outsider's viewpoint as if he's introducing this universe to a new audience as opposed to presenting it as an already familiar universe.

It's rather interesting in a way.
 
For TMP lovers may I also suggest finding a copy of "Chekov's Enterprise" by Walter Koenig. It gives a unique and interesting perspective on the making of TMP from an actor's viewpoint. Definitely worth the read!
 
^^^And it's funny.



That it is. I recall reading in that book how Nimoy was corrected during a practice take to say 'in the heart of the cloud' as opposed to 'in the center of the cloud.'

Next take, Nimoy says, "I believe there's an object in the liver of the cloud." To which Shatner spins on him and responds, "You have the guts to tell me that?"

:guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:


I still remember that passage after all these years. I can just picture that happening in my mind.
 
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