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WoK was almost like a reboot of TMP if you think about it!

I LOVE the monster Maroons. Probabaly the best uniform ever in Trek.

Whereas I find them completely absurd. As fancy dress uniforms, maybe, I could buy them. But these elaborate, heavy uniforms with their retro Hornblower-era design as everyday duty fatigues in the 23rd century? Preposterous! Now, if they'd ditched the heavy double-breasted jackets and just worn the turtlenecks for everyday use, those would've worked as fatigues, and been evocative of the pilot-era uniforms. But the insistence on having everyone wearing those fancy jackets all the time, day in and day out, was just ridiculous.


Even if the final battle was silly by taking Khan's "2-dimensional thinking" literally.

It was meant literally. The whole point, as Admiral Young says, is that Khan only had experience fighting battles on land and thus didn't have the mindset for space combat where the Z axis is as much in play as the X and Y. Indeed, that's one of the least silly things about TWOK, because it's one of the very few Trek productions where the planners of the space combat scenes remembered that space is 3-dimensional and made use of that fact. Most writers, directors, and FX artists in Hollywood are just as 2-dimensional in their thinking as Khan was.
 
Whereas I find them completely absurd. As fancy dress uniforms, maybe, I could buy them. But these elaborate, heavy uniforms with their retro Hornblower-era design as everyday duty fatigues in the 23rd century? Preposterous! Now, if they'd ditched the heavy double-breasted jackets and just worn the turtlenecks for everyday use, those would've worked as fatigues, and been evocative of the pilot-era uniforms. But the insistence on having everyone wearing those fancy jackets all the time, day in and day out, was just ridiculous.

I never considered them heavy. And who knows what will be ridiculous in 300 years? Just look at what was totally normal 300 years ago.

In fact I think that TWOK's costume design made a lot more sense than anything in Trek before. Special away team uniforms, different uniforms for non-comissioned personnel, the overalls they kept for the engineering crews from TMP, etc...

Other than the (what I consider) ridiculous "one-pyjama-for-everything" thing from TOS or TNG.
 
Other than the (what I consider) ridiculous "one-pyjama-for-everything" thing from TOS or TNG.
There was some variety in TOS. They did show folks in coveralls and the medical personnel had smocks. And why do people call the TOS turtle neck and pants combo "pyjamas"?
 
Even if the final battle was silly by taking Khan's "2-dimensional thinking" literally.

It was meant literally. The whole point, as Admiral Young says, is that Khan only had experience fighting battles on land and thus didn't have the mindset for space combat where the Z axis is as much in play as the X and Y. Indeed, that's one of the least silly things about TWOK, because it's one of the very few Trek productions where the planners of the space combat scenes remembered that space is 3-dimensional and made use of that fact. Most writers, directors, and FX artists in Hollywood are just as 2-dimensional in their thinking as Khan was.
Kirk demonstrated 2-dimensional thinking twice in the film: first by turning the Enterprise's broad side to the Reliant (during the first encounter) and (in the second encounter) he brought the Enterprise back to the Reliant's plane, instead of just firing from below (which would have made the Reliant a broader target) :rolleyes:
 
Well, I wasn't saying it was perfect; after all, the TWOK space battle was based on naval warfare battles in a Hornblower-type movie, so naturally there's nothing realistic about it. It's a given that cinematic space battles are going to be fanciful and limited in their imagination. But at least, for one brief moment, the makers of this space battle remembered that space is 3-dimensional and made at least minor use of the fact, and that's a step up from most of the silliness that passes for space combat in SFTV and movies (including the rest of this movie). I'll take what I can get.
 
Yeah. The nebula battle was brilliant. I can listen to the Horner track and picture the scene in my head.
 
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