Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popular
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Every fucking thing would look bad on the cover of the Daily Mail cos they'd put the spin on it to make it look bad.
"FIREMAN SAVES LIFE OF DIRTY IMMIGRANT FAMILY"
"VACCINE SAVES 50,000 LIVES, KEEPS US OVER CROWDED!"
"BBC'S MOST POPULAR SHOW EVER TAKES ADVERTISING MONEY AWAY FROM ITV"
Etc.
Every fucking thing would look bad on the cover of the Daily Mail cos they'd put the spin on it to make it look bad.
"FIREMAN SAVES LIFE OF DIRTY IMMIGRANT FAMILY"
"VACCINE SAVES 50,000 LIVES, KEEPS US OVER CROWDED!"
"BBC'S MOST POPULAR SHOW EVER TAKES ADVERTISING MONEY AWAY FROM ITV"
Etc.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
as short hand for "what negative consquences could this have" its a good system.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
Exactly. In an ideal world you wouldn't have to do this, but we're not in an ideal world!
Exactly. In an ideal world you wouldn't have to do this, but we're not in an ideal world!
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
some guy from the BBC is saying they should concentrate on BBC 1 and 2 and Radio 1 and 2, to deal with the 16% real-terms cut.
some guy from the BBC is saying they should concentrate on BBC 1 and 2 and Radio 1 and 2, to deal with the 16% real-terms cut.
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Some guy, you mean the current head of the BBC Trust who's stepping down?
Yeah, when he said that before people jumped on the "They're going to close BBC Three and Four" thing and made it sound like that was definitely going to happen.
Some guy, you mean the current head of the BBC Trust who's stepping down?
Yeah, when he said that before people jumped on the "They're going to close BBC Three and Four" thing and made it sound like that was definitely going to happen.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
They have to balance popular broadcasting with being a public arts broadcaster. Therefore Radio 3, for instance, will never get above 1.5 m listeners but it's part of the BBC Charter to provide an art music outlet. Classic FM proved that classical music radio can make money but the compromise they had to make, to make it so means it's not really an art music radio station but more of an easy listening station with some good classical bits now and then.
They have to balance popular broadcasting with being a public arts broadcaster. Therefore Radio 3, for instance, will never get above 1.5 m listeners but it's part of the BBC Charter to provide an art music outlet. Classic FM proved that classical music radio can make money but the compromise they had to make, to make it so means it's not really an art music radio station but more of an easy listening station with some good classical bits now and then.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
^Exactly, people go on about getting rid of the bits that don't attract big audiences, but then what's the point? Yes, they need to provide something for everyone to justify everyone paying, but surely they're there to provide what would be more difficult for a commercial broadcaster to provide just as much?
^Exactly, people go on about getting rid of the bits that don't attract big audiences, but then what's the point? Yes, they need to provide something for everyone to justify everyone paying, but surely they're there to provide what would be more difficult for a commercial broadcaster to provide just as much?
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Well I find 24/7 News SO ANNOYING so we can cut that for a start
who the hell watches the news at 3am.
On a more serious note salaries and expenses are where money needs to be saved , too much waste and over paid stars. Some of the BBC 3 shows are good enough to make it on BBC 1 or 2 IMO and maybe you could merge 1 or two Radio stations or have some off the air in the middle of the night.
Overall though BBC does NOT need mass culling as the Mail & Murdoch would have you believe but I do fear for the BBC at the rate the fee goes up. Its frozen at the moment but will increase after most likely and eventually their will be a limit to how much the public will want too and can afford too pay.
Oh and I want a Charlie Brooker dedicated channel
Well I find 24/7 News SO ANNOYING so we can cut that for a start
who the hell watches the news at 3am.On a more serious note salaries and expenses are where money needs to be saved , too much waste and over paid stars. Some of the BBC 3 shows are good enough to make it on BBC 1 or 2 IMO and maybe you could merge 1 or two Radio stations or have some off the air in the middle of the night.
Overall though BBC does NOT need mass culling as the Mail & Murdoch would have you believe but I do fear for the BBC at the rate the fee goes up. Its frozen at the moment but will increase after most likely and eventually their will be a limit to how much the public will want too and can afford too pay.
Oh and I want a Charlie Brooker dedicated channel
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
^Surely it's not a case of "They're good enough to be on BBC One" it's a case of "This wouldn't have had a chance on BBC One". They'd have never commissioned Being Human or Is Oral Sex Safe? for a primetime BBC One slot. As for merging radio stations that means you have to disrupt the times at which people can listen, so if you're a fan of classical music and they merge 3 with 2 that means someones show is going to be shunted around the schedule and then you've lost out because of it.
And why do people always go to the "Over paid stars" thing? It seems many are working for less than they could be getting elsewhere already, so reducing the money paid to talent just means there's a drain to commercial TV, so the BBC just have to spend money building up more talent to take their place, who then sod off to another channel again.
^Surely it's not a case of "They're good enough to be on BBC One" it's a case of "This wouldn't have had a chance on BBC One". They'd have never commissioned Being Human or Is Oral Sex Safe? for a primetime BBC One slot. As for merging radio stations that means you have to disrupt the times at which people can listen, so if you're a fan of classical music and they merge 3 with 2 that means someones show is going to be shunted around the schedule and then you've lost out because of it.
And why do people always go to the "Over paid stars" thing? It seems many are working for less than they could be getting elsewhere already, so reducing the money paid to talent just means there's a drain to commercial TV, so the BBC just have to spend money building up more talent to take their place, who then sod off to another channel again.
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Sounds like budget problems in the states. There's all this "waste" that can be easily cut but yet no one can ever say what exact waste they want to cut. Then all the public employees are overpaid and should take cuts but then everyone complains when their services are so inadequate.
I'm sure there is waste out there but it seems really difficult to target and tackle.
Sounds like budget problems in the states. There's all this "waste" that can be easily cut but yet no one can ever say what exact waste they want to cut. Then all the public employees are overpaid and should take cuts but then everyone complains when their services are so inadequate.
I'm sure there is waste out there but it seems really difficult to target and tackle.
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Yeah, that's the problem with cutting, because it's indiscriminate and arbitrary. Cut this and that ends up cutting useful things along with wasteful things, rather than digging out the actual waste because it'd just create more waste to investigate where the actual waste is.
Yeah, that's the problem with cutting, because it's indiscriminate and arbitrary. Cut this and that ends up cutting useful things along with wasteful things, rather than digging out the actual waste because it'd just create more waste to investigate where the actual waste is.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
Cuts have to me made somewhere sooner or later the fee can't continue to rise there will be a breaking point. No matter were you cut there will be critics but am sure BBC can make cuts without affecting quality too much.
Cuts have to me made somewhere sooner or later the fee can't continue to rise there will be a breaking point. No matter were you cut there will be critics but am sure BBC can make cuts without affecting quality too much.
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And they are making cuts, reducing pay for staff and talent. Cutting the online service among other things. The problem isn't that they set out to empire build, it's that they were made to through mandates placed on them by government, and now they're stuck trying to do everything while fighting to justify it when it was the government who decided it in the first place.
And they are making cuts, reducing pay for staff and talent. Cutting the online service among other things. The problem isn't that they set out to empire build, it's that they were made to through mandates placed on them by government, and now they're stuck trying to do everything while fighting to justify it when it was the government who decided it in the first place.
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To be honest that's the same arguments the banks use. Oh if we don't pay them bonuses they'll bugger off to another bank!
Fine. Let them. If someone can earn more at ITV let them, because this comes back to Eve's (flawed) argument again, keeping so called celebs in place at high cost stops someone better coming through. Nobody is irreplacable, and bringing this back to this very board, I'm glad the BBC let Tennant leave rather than offering him the Earth to stay (and who knows maybe they did offer him the Earth and he still said bye bye) because in my eyes we got a better Doctor to replace him.
And it isn't just about paying the famous people either. Surprised I managed to find this but still...£92,000, for reading the news.
Edited to add: For what it's worth I believe Eve is (or was at least) the highest paid actor working for the Beeb.
To be honest that's the same arguments the banks use. Oh if we don't pay them bonuses they'll bugger off to another bank!
Fine. Let them. If someone can earn more at ITV let them, because this comes back to Eve's (flawed) argument again, keeping so called celebs in place at high cost stops someone better coming through. Nobody is irreplacable, and bringing this back to this very board, I'm glad the BBC let Tennant leave rather than offering him the Earth to stay (and who knows maybe they did offer him the Earth and he still said bye bye) because in my eyes we got a better Doctor to replace him.
And it isn't just about paying the famous people either. Surprised I managed to find this but still...£92,000, for reading the news.
Edited to add: For what it's worth I believe Eve is (or was at least) the highest paid actor working for the Beeb.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
I pretty much agree with you on that. People should be told to sod off and not given in to if they demand too much, much like Christine Bleakly or whatever her name is. But there's a level of investment there and time taken to make someone a name they can place in the role. Jonathan Ross for example has been on the air for decades, from crappy little shows on Channel 4 till he became big enough to hold his own on BBC One friday nights. People don't just appear and suddenly be right for roles like that.
Just stick some nobody in the role and people will probably not tune in and then the show won't rate well and then people will complain about the BBC airing shows no one is watching in Prime Time.
I pretty much agree with you on that. People should be told to sod off and not given in to if they demand too much, much like Christine Bleakly or whatever her name is. But there's a level of investment there and time taken to make someone a name they can place in the role. Jonathan Ross for example has been on the air for decades, from crappy little shows on Channel 4 till he became big enough to hold his own on BBC One friday nights. People don't just appear and suddenly be right for roles like that.
Just stick some nobody in the role and people will probably not tune in and then the show won't rate well and then people will complain about the BBC airing shows no one is watching in Prime Time.
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The BBC is already making cuts in radio, Someone I work with liked to listen to the country and western show and a folk music show, but not enough people are listing so they have been cut.
The BBC is already making cuts in radio, Someone I work with liked to listen to the country and western show and a folk music show, but not enough people are listing so they have been cut.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
3 guys in a shed.
3 guys in a shed.
Re: Actor says shows like DW shouldn't be supported by BBC once popula
The shed has been axed am afraid
The shed has been axed am afraid
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