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Human Demography in Science Fiction

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I was going to add this to my 'How Improbable' thread but I think there's enough meat here for a separate topic.

It seems to be the assumption in most Science Fiction universes that there'll be a whole lot more of us in the future. Often this is combined with the idea that, to the extent that the technology of the universe allows, humanity will spread from Earth to other worlds, solar systems, etc. An extreme version of this idea would be Herbert's Dune universe in which the "million planets" constitute merely that universe's "Old World".

These seem to be reasonable assumptions. Certainly they fit with most of what we know of the history of the species. Yet there are certain recent trends which give us cause to doubt this vision of our future.

Zero-Population Growth was first observed in Scandinavia in the 70s and then Japan and then Korea, but today it is marching across Europe and Central Asia. Indeed, nearly everywhere we are observing declining birth rates. China's enormous population is at a virtual standstill and will begin to decline by the middle of the century. Even India is applying the brakes - albeit not fast enough to prevent it from overshooting China as the most populous nation a few decades from now. In short, the long boom the human population has experienced since the wane of the Black Death in the 14th century is drawing to a close. The peak is in sight, and its number is shy of 10 billion souls.

What then? Projections are murkier the further afield one goes, but it is certainly possible that we will face the prospect of permanent sub-replacement levels of fertility and corresponding declining populations. The 2004 Series 3 (Lo) projection from the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs describes a human population in 2300 of 'only' 2.3 billion souls.

One of the other great demographic trends of the last two centuries has been the concentration of populations. In 1800 less than 5% of the world's population lived in urban areas. In 1900 that became 14% and then 30% by 1950. Today it's 50% and expected to continue to rise.

Whether the factors which make living with lots of other people 'attractive' today continue to hold hundreds or thousands of years down the track is anyone's guess, but the factors tending towards low fertility rates seem fairly stable:

- Declining value of labour (industrialisation)
- Increasing emphasis on education
- Increasing societal support networks
- The above factors together making children less of an asset and more of a burden than they have historically been
- Increasing empowerment of women in society
- Increasing availability of contraception

In this light I question the assumption that "we" are going to go anywhere at all. Mining, exploration, research, sure. But a widespread diaspora of the species, with small groups of colonists hurling themselves to distant lands and then breeding like rabbits? I don't see it.
 
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It's obviously impossible to say, and it will depend on our technological level at the time. Human colonists traveling to distant worlds and settling the cosmos is possible in the future, but we certainly couldn't do it right now.

If we are to assume that your scenario is true, that birth rates will decline and continue to do so, then there will be less of a need (and therefore less motivation) to travel to the stars.

Have you seen "Children of Men?" In that movie, all of Earth's women have been rendered infertile. There are no more children, and people aren't reproducing. The world has been robbed of hope. It's a fantastic film.
 
In this light I question the assumption that "we" are going to go anywhere at all. Mining, exploration, research, sure.

Well, we'll still have to, even if we didn't want to, because the demands of the peak population likely can't be met by Earth alone. And anyway, the Earth will become less and less habitable as time goes on.

It is kind of silly that a lot of fictions have these ultra-Malthusian projections, though. I think Magnus, Robot Fighter, for example, posited forty billion in North America alone. Yeah, even with milespires, it's not exactly plausible, especially given demographic trends. I argued not too long ago that science fiction so effectively argued the overpopulation problem that many people don't even recognize that it's effectively over. And I guess a dystopian universe where you have to eat your old people is more inherently interesting than a planet where there's no one to buy space aboard the new floating city-ships because there are hundreds of millions of houses sitting empty in the suburbs.

You could see an acceleration in childbearing at some point, though, I suppose--when 90% of people are essentially jobless yet still cared-for due to automation, raising kids may be a far more attractive option than in the present economic regime, where having a child is the worst investment in the world, with thousands of hours of labor and hundreds of thousands of dollars providing a lousy knockoff of immortality as its only return.
 
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Have you seen "Children of Men?" In that movie, all of Earth's women have been rendered infertile. There are no more children, and people aren't reproducing. The world has been robbed of hope. It's a fantastic film.

Yeah. I was kinda irked by its lack of closure, but loved the dreary, hopeless atmosphere.

Well, we'll still have to, even if we didn't want to, because the demands of the peak population likely can't be met by Earth alone. And anyway, the Earth will become less and less habitable as time goes on.

The peak will be before the turn of the century, so I think Earth will just have to struggle on in any case. If we can pass through the eye of that needle, though - i.e. peak population coupled with exhaustion of fossil fuels, climate change, etc. - then I think we'll be set for some time.

I argued not too long ago that science fiction so effectively argued the overpopulation problem that many people don't even recognize that it's effectively over.

One thing I've been trying to find out is what the ethnic make-up of the population will look like a few centuries from now relative to today, given that whitey is going grey early and that by the turn of the century Africa is going to be the only real engine of human growth left.
 
Your operating under a misconception here. Just because overall population growth is slowing does not mean that if you opened up a whole new planet (for example) to settlers that they would not start increasing in numbers. If you have lots of free land and resources you certainly would get a population explosion. Environmental factors play a big part in family size.
 
Your operating under a misconception here. Just because overall population growth is slowing does not mean that if you opened up a whole new planet (for example) to settlers that they would not start increasing in numbers.

Mechanism? An awful lot of things have changed since the last time this hypothesis was tested.

If you have lots of free land and resources you certainly would get a population explosion. Environmental factors play a big part in family size.

Except that population growth isn't slowing because of a lack of free land and/or resources. There actually aren't billions of people out there itching to return to 16 hours/day of manual labor and nothing else to do afterward but fuck with the nearest chemist four days walk as the crow flies.
 
Actually, I wouldn't mind terribly much if there were two or three hours' worth of the day scheduled for outages where all there was to do was fuck.
 
The mental and moral decay of the ruling classes has progressed to the point they are embarked on a prolonged campaign to destroy the last vestiges of any programs devoted to the welfare of the mass of the population. (Imagine me spitting on them with every "p.":lol:) And they are promoting superstition, which brings back religion in a big way.

In other words, after they sell off Social Security on Wall Street, the Christians will breed their old age insurance, not sparing the rod to make sure they's good chillun whut duz their duty to honor they's parents.

Times change. Either people take control of the change, or the usual suspects will screw us all. China and India are in a race to collapse, but whichever gets there first will take the delusions of a new age of worldwide capitalist growth with it. All signs are that human demography is heading for a mass die off.
 
No, I don't believe that human beings are going to colonize the Universe, but that's for technological rather than population reasons. There is no strong reason to assume that technology will ever exist that will enable human beings to move from one star system to another in a way that will appeal even as an idea to any more than a tiny fraction of people - and that tiny number will never be able to fund it.

Yeah, I know, the word "never" is always an invitation to one cavil after another among sf fans. Fine with me.
 
No, I don't believe that human beings are going to colonize the Universe, but that's for technological rather than population reasons. There is no strong reason to assume that technology will ever exist that will enable human beings to move from one star system to another in a way that will appeal even as an idea to any more than a tiny fraction of people - and that tiny number will never be able to fund it.

Indeed. It is a major endeavor that would require obnoxious amounts of money. A generational ship designed to be transformed into an extra-terrestrial colony would probably be the best bet, but good lord, what an incredible undertaking that would be.
 
no man will alway go where no man has gone before ! i just sorry i not be around to see it! along as mankind is here find it and they will come!
 
There is an idea in older science fiction that is not expressed very much in modern popular material.

You see it in Heinlein's It's Great to Be Back. Do you want to go into the totally inhospitable environment of space where your life is completely dependent on the proper use of complex technology with someone that is likely to make a dumb mistake and get you killed?

Is a significant percentage of the population going to not be allowed in space because they can't qualify?

What will that do to the demographic?

Has science fiction gotten less realistic to make money selling sci-fi?

psik
 
How about "a signficant percentage of the population" will never go into space at all because, honestly, almost no one wants to?
 
No, I don't believe that human beings are going to colonize the Universe, but that's for technological rather than population reasons. There is no strong reason to assume that technology will ever exist that will enable human beings to move from one star system to another in a way that will appeal even as an idea to any more than a tiny fraction of people - and that tiny number will never be able to fund it.

Yeah, I know, the word "never" is always an invitation to one cavil after another among sf fans. Fine with me.
Bingo. At the moment, even colonizing Mars presents virtually insurmountable technological challenges even if humananity magically started working together - but that's a discussion that's been covered extensively elsewhere on the BBS, including a recent thread here.

The above-cited UN 2300 projection of 2.3bn sounds about right. And once humans reach numbers that small, environmental restoration (along with possible replacement of currently endangered species for biodiversity's sake) will make the planet even more beautiful and wonderful than it already is (certainly more so than what it'll become between now and then), and people will then be even less motivated to leave.

Honestly, one the most interesting demographic shifts will be that of ethnicity. It's going to take at least a few generations for African and Asian societies' birthrates to fall below replacement level, and by that time, there'll be a lot of black, brown and East Asian-looking people. Account for inter-ethnic mating, and European-descended whites as we know them could well become a very small minority.
 
It's going to take at least a few generations for African and Asian societies' birthrates to fall below replacement level, and by that time, there'll be a lot of black, brown and East Asian-looking people. Account for inter-ethnic mating, and European-descended whites as we know them could well become a very small minority.

Africa? Yes. Asia? No.

TFR below replacement level
China
Japan
Korea
Thailand

TFR near replacement level (and trending down)
Indonesia
Vietnam

TFR above replacement level
Phillipines

That's all the big ones I think. Below 50m people and you're too small to matter. (sez the Australian :lol:)

The subcontinent is a different story... Pakistan/India/Bangladesh are all above replacement.
 
Ooh I found a map:

500pxcountriesbyfertili.png


Blue = TFR below replacement level
Green = TFR above replacement level
Yellow = The vagina is not a clown car
Orange/Purple = Holy Shit!
 
There is an idea in older science fiction that is not expressed very much in modern popular material.

You see it in Heinlein's It's Great to Be Back. Do you want to go into the totally inhospitable environment of space where your life is completely dependent on the proper use of complex technology with someone that is likely to make a dumb mistake and get you killed?

To some extent we trust our lives to technology just going to the store to get eggs.
 
Account for inter-ethnic mating, and European-descended whites as we know them could well become a very small minority.

This is true. Of those few western nations (United States, Australia, Israel) whose populations are expected to grow significantly over the coming decades, that growth will be driven by immigration of non-whites into the population, or from existing non-white minorities amongst the population, or a combination of the two. Whitey himself can't be fucked. :lol:
 
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