Ancient Aliens, Yes or No?

[Jadzia]

Which only calls forth the question: Where did those microorganisms originate, and who or what "seeded" the Earth with them? Life has to start somewhere. If it began on its own "out there," why couldn't the same thing have happened here?

Life may well have began on its own here. Seeding isn't a necessity, but is a possibility.

It may be extremely rare for life to form on it's own.

Life has an inherent will to survive and is likely to want to expand beyond it's home star system given the chance. As explained above, the most likely way that would happen in my opinion is by spreading microorganisms to all four corners of the galaxy.

Consider how many seed worlds could be created by just one life bearing planet.

The average number could be less than 1 (project is a probable failure) or it could be hundreds (in which case most life bearing worlds in the galaxy would be seed worlds).

The equation we have to look at is this:

a = Probability that a life bearing planet evolves creatures with the will and the means to create seed comets.

b = Number of new life bearing worlds created from one planet's seeding project.

The product N = a*b is the number of daughter worlds that each life bearing world gives birth to (on average).

If N > 1, the growth is exponential, and the galaxy will tend to a state where it's teeming with life, and where almost all life bearing worlds are seed worlds.

If N < 1, the seeding projects are unsustainable, and most life bearing worlds have created life on their own.

 

[Amaris]

I just checked a dictionary and the second definition of 'theory' was 'abstract thought; speculation.'

That would be the regular definition of theory, not the definition of a scientific theory. It's why I stated the definition in the area of scientific study and speculation. In science, a theory is the culmination of research that has been thoroughly tested and researched, that scientists can agree on it, unless new information comes along that changes said theory.

However, I'll take this right out of the realm of 'scientific' here and now. I'll just say that it's a theory, but that it's not scientific. I'm no big fan of mainstream science anyway, because there is so much out there that mainstream scientists try to sweep under the rug because it doesn't fit into their 'laws' and their egos just can't take it.

That's a bit of a weighty claim. You'll have to provide evidence that "mainstream science" is sweeping things under the rug. Sounds more like a conspiracy theory, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt until you can provide evidence that proves this.

 

[Lookingglassman]

I don't believe in aliens, but I do believe in angels and demons. I believe ancient man got help from the offspring of demons and human women. In the Bible it says the "Sons of God" hooked up with human women and produced offspring who were mighty men of renown. I think they are referred to as "Nephilium".

I think these offspring were far more intelligent and stronger than your average human and helped their "brother man" do the things they did. I also think this is one of the reason God brought about the flood because these half human/half demon folks were messing up God's plan and diluting what He wanted Humans to know and understand.

I just don't buy aliens with technology to span billions of miles of space, plopping down here on earth to help a couple of dumb humans stack stones on top of one another. If an alien race really was going to interfere with the human race it would make more sense to actually give them stuff important like cures for diseases or easier and quicker ways to grow food than to build a pyramid.

If an alien race were to find Earth they would do one of three things.

1. Look at what we have done to the planet and move on.
2. Enslave us
3. Help us either overtly or covertly.

Don't you understand that the Bible isn't describing real events? The stories are allegorical and meant for a society that is two millennia out of date.

What I find fascinating are folks who actually have a book from God telling them "Hey, I exist and here is how things are" yet they refuse to believe, but have no proof of aliens existing, but will believe in them instead.

I just don't believe in aliens because the Bible states God made us "a little lower than the angels". Angels are powerful beings who don't need space ships and if we are just a little lower than they are I don't believe He created something else that is in between us.

But lets say there is an alien race out there. I don't believe it would even find us. Our planet certainly did not stand out thousands of years ago and for them to just happen upon us doesn't make much sense to me. Even if the aliens got lucky and flew by us and decided to stop in and have a look, I still don't see them caring much about us and if they did, like I asked in an earlier post, why didn't they give us something that matters like cures for cancer or better food production? I just don't see aliens stopping by and helping humans build stuff which would pretty much be a waste of time when they have a whole big universe to explore.

 

[RoJoHen]

First see, then believe, does other live exist? probably, will it ever get here? forget it, people seem to have a bloody bad understanding of how large the universe actually is.

This is really only an issue if life is an uncommon thing. For all we know, the universe is full of aliens just waiting to explore our little corner of existence.

I am obviously not an expert on the subject, but I really enjoy the theories. What bothers me most is that we will likely never know for sure. We have all of this weird "evidence," but we will never have enough to have proof one way or the other.

We either need some aliens to visit us and tell us that they were here before, or we need to invent a time machine and go back and see for ourselves.

 

[TrickyDickie]

In science, a theory is the culmination of research that has been thoroughly tested and researched

Sorry, but I don't buy it that it goes that way each and every time....or would the argument then be that if scientists didn't handle it that way every time, they were being 'unscientific?'

That's a bit of a weighty claim. You'll have to provide evidence that "mainstream science" is sweeping things under the rug. Sounds more like a conspiracy theory, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt until you can provide evidence that proves this.

What about the scientists who, when confronted with reports of people in trance states who walk through fire without getting burned scoff and say it's balderdash? It does happen, but because their 'law' states that if you walk through fire you must get burned, they just want to sweep it aside. That's the kind of thing that I am talking about. Something where there is proof, it has been witnessed, and yet they still maintain the old stubborn denial because they are unwilling to admit that their 'laws' are not as set in stone as they would have people believe.

 

[Amaris]

Sorry, but I don't buy it that it goes that way each and every time....or would the argument then be that if scientists didn't handle it that way every time, they were being 'unscientific?'

It doesn't matter whether you "buy it" or not, that is how the scientific method works.

1. Observation
2. Hypothesis
3. Prediction
4. Experimentation

Any other method that does not follow this is pseudoscience, and the world is replete with pseudosciences.

What about the scientists who, when confronted with reports of people in trance states who walk through fire without getting burned scoff and say it's balderdash? It does happen, but because their 'law' states that if you walk through fire you must get burned, they just want to sweep it aside.

You're going to have to cite the evidence for that, otherwise it's unfounded supposition.

That's the kind of thing that I am talking about. Something where there is proof, it has been witnessed, and yet they still maintain the old stubborn denial because they are unwilling to admit that their 'laws' are not as set in stone as they would have people believe.

In general, scientists do not believe their laws are set in stone. Scientific methodology is a self correcting system. There is a huge body of evidence that shows science is self correcting. Your statement simply does not make sense.

 

[Alex1939]

No.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No.

 

[RedShirt]

Sorry, but I don't buy it that it goes that way each and every time....or would the argument then be that if scientists didn't handle it that way every time, they were being 'unscientific?'

Um... no shit?

What about the scientists who, when confronted with reports of people in trance states who walk through fire without getting burned scoff and say it's balderdash? It does happen, but because their 'law' states that if you walk through fire you must get burned, they just want to sweep it aside. That's the kind of thing that I am talking about. Something where there is proof, it has been witnessed, and yet they still maintain the old stubborn denial because they are unwilling to admit that their 'laws' are not as set in stone as they would have people believe.

You are aware that "fire walkers" aren't really walking through fire, yes? And that there are valid explanations for what's happening?

 

[Lookingglassman]

Why would they be willing to show their space ships to thousands, walk among them and help them build pyramids and other monuments, but all of a sudden decide to ignore us who probably could benefit more from what they can teach and would be more receptive of them?

Why don't they come back or if they are back, land and help us build stuff and walk among us like they did ancient man thousands of years ago?

 

[Itisnotlogical]

I think there is life somewhere out there, either close or far. I think they have technology so wildly and crazily advanced that they can visit us whenever they damn well please, and bring the wife and kiddies with them too. If I say anything else I'm probably going to contradict some theory or law of physics and get swarmed upon by skeptics.

 

[Amaris]

I think there is life somewhere out there, either close or far. I think they have technology so wildly and crazily advanced that they can visit us whenever they damn well please, and bring the wife and kiddies with them too. If I say anything else I'm probably going to contradict some theory or law of physics and get swarmed upon by skeptics.

Oh, that's silly. You're free to say what you want, it's just that when people make claims that scientists or government is covering something up that seems iffy to begin with, well that's going to get some raised eyebrows. So don't worry, feel free to say whatever you want.

[prepares tranquilizer dart]

 

[sidious618]

No, it's ridiculous. Great for fiction but no so great for being taken seriously in conversation.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

The scf-fi nerd in me wants to believe it, the grown up, lifes a bitch deal with it, adult in me wont.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

If ancient aliens did exist and did visit Earth in the past, I like to think that they learned a few tricks from us.

 

[Deckerd]

If ancient aliens did exist and did visit Earth in the past, I like to think that they learned a few tricks from us.

The first time we see an alien crushing a beer can against his forehead we'll know for sure.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

If ancient aliens did exist and did visit Earth in the past, I like to think that they learned a few tricks from us.

Yeah, that's why they quickly went extinct -- reality TV shows sapped their will to live.

 

[Deckerd]

Hey have you got snow Mambo? It went all white overnight here.

 

[Jetfire]

I am being visited by "aliens" now!



Ancient aliens? I don't think so. If they came here once...I think they would have stayed and continued to manipulate natural development on this world. If they are still here and working with governments of our planet then that establishes a serious trust issue between the aliens and governments of Earth and it's citizens.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

If ancient aliens did exist and did visit Earth in the past, I like to think that they learned a few tricks from us.

Yeah, that's why they quickly went extinct -- reality TV shows sapped their will to live.

We truly are the most dangerous species in the Universe. No wonder no-one wants to visit us.