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Offended by Christmas???

I find it absolutely insane and moronic that Christians would ever believe that they are persecuted in America. They're around 80% of the population, with few exceptions hold all the political power, and we have laws to support their beliefs (dry countries and no alcohol sold on Sunday in some places). It amazes me how delusional some people can be.
 
Well, I'm not really offended by Christmas. But, you have to remember that it was marked as Christ's birth. That's why we're celebrating every years.
 
Merry Christmas to all the hos, drunks and drug-addled retards out there. There wouldn't be comedy without you! :techman:
Now that's the spirit of Christmas. :mallory:

And God bless them, every one; no-one else will. :p

Such an attitude, and from Mary Poppins, no less! *:lol: and :weep: at the same time*

You know she has deeply kinky side, what with that umbrella and all.

BTW, I watched Mary Poppins last night, inspired partly by your avatar. Fun. I'd actually never seen it before! :lol:

Not seen before? Shocking. About time you put it right. Spit-spot.
 
I've heard far more people whining about the war on christmas than I have ever heard declaring it.

Tiresome, childish nonsense really.
 
Well, I'm not really offended by Christmas. But, you have to remember that it was marked as Christ's birth. That's why we're celebrating every years.

Even as an atheist, this has never bothered me. 90% of the usual traditions are pagan, after all.
 
I've heard far more people whining about the war on christmas than I have ever heard declaring it.

Tiresome, childish nonsense really.
Let's clarify something. Firstly I don't know about how things are in the States, but I do know here in Canada I've seen examples of things I've mentioned.

Candidly I don't think anyone is seriously offended by Christmas itself. I do think there are some folks with way too much time on their hands and/or they're over-thinking the idea that Christmas might offend someone and come up with these ideas to downplay Christmas.

I do know some if not many folks (myself included) who are put off and perhaps even offended to some degree by the crass commercialization of the holiday. As I mentioned before if the big retailers could utilize Christ to sell more crap then they'd do it in a second.

The situation here in Ontario makes me think our society has lost a sense of perspective along the way. And I don't expect Americans to get this because their experience is different. Up until about twenty years or so ago stores were not allowed to be open for business on December 26th as Boxing Day was a recognized statutory holiday. What this meant was that we experienced an actual kind of seasonal holiday of two days off in succession, and folks could have some appreciated downtown after the run up of the holiday selling season. Folks could travel and visit friends and family. And if it happened that Christmas fell near a weekend then some could enjoy three to four days off. It was a nice down time for many. The only ones who could still work were people like police, fire fighters, doctors and nurses as well as some restaurants (if they so wished), some movie theatres, some convenience stores and gas stations. Up until things changed the big "Boxing Day" sales event happened on Dec. 27th.

But two things changed. Firstly businesses lobbied the government to allow them to be open on Dec. 26th claiming unfair competition, which was complete bullshit because convenience stores, a few movie theatres and gas stations were in no way in competition with the vast majority of retailers. And the false notion that no one would be forced to work Boxing Day was quickly dispelled. The next thing that happened was that our economy, like the States, became more retail oriented and less manufacture oriented. And so more and more people were pressed into having to work on Dec. 26th. And to add insult to injury the retailers started opening earlier and earlier. Now many folks in retail have to curtail the one day they do get off (Christmas) because they have to be at work at something like 4-5AM for store openings of 6AM. And if Dec. 26th falls on a Sunday (such as this year) then too fucking bad for you.

I've been working in retail for eleven years now and I want out partly because I've come to loathe this time of year in certain respects. For me there is no Christmas holiday anymore because it's just added stress and pressure with no reward and no time off. I and many others get less time for ourselves and our families than you get on a normal weekend. It's bullshit and I openly despise the corporate and government fucks who orchestrated this whole scenario. And the ones who set this up are probably scratching their balls in bed and at home with their families while the rest of us poor shits are dragging our tired asses into work at 4AM. :mad: And you can believe that if they could get you to work on Christmas Day they'd fucking well do it.

Yes, I get paid for it, but I'd be willing to forego that in exchange for much needed and appreciated down time. And no one can sell me the nonsense that consumers appreciate getting to shop on the 26th because they could just as easily shop on the 27th, which is what anyone who wanted to did.

The other thing is that I think the Boxing Day (or more like Boxing Week) sales just undermines pre Christmas sales because a lot of folks hold back thinking they can get better deals the day after. But the truth is the majority of what goes on special sale on Boxing Day is junk. They're "door crasher" specials for a reason, just to get you into the store.

Frankly I think the American approach could well be better with their Black Friday Thanksgiving sales that kicks off the Christmas shopping season.
 
HoHoHocutus of Bored;4617180 Most Muslims I know wouldn't care about being wished a Merry Christmas and would take it in the spirit it was given if it was offered genuinely and not like [B said:
BA[/B] did here. Many Muslims here in the US (and probably Canada and Europe) even celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday like many others around the world do regardless of their religion.

But the problem is that he thinks it would be insulting, and so he deliberately goes around saying it with that intent. Or more likely he just jokes about saying it while not having the guts to actually go through with it and maybe have his ridiculous preconceptions challenged. If he does do it I wouldn't doubt that he's wished many people of Middle Eastern descent who are Christians a Merry Christmas in his attempt to be rude because he doesn't realize that Middle Eastern doesn't inherently mean Muslim.

Umm... it was meant as a joke... that's why I not only put a devil smiley after it, but I began the next part of the post with "In all seriousness". But thanks for the kind words! :D
 
Most Muslims I know wouldn't care about being wished a Merry Christmas and would take it in the spirit it was given if it was offered genuinely and not like BA did here. Many Muslims here in the US (and probably Canada and Europe) even celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday like many others around the world do regardless of their religion.

But the problem is that he thinks it would be insulting, and so he deliberately goes around saying it with that intent. Or more likely he just jokes about saying it while not having the guts to actually go through with it and maybe have his ridiculous preconceptions challenged. If he does do it I wouldn't doubt that he's wished many people of Middle Eastern descent who are Christians a Merry Christmas in his attempt to be rude because he doesn't realize that Middle Eastern doesn't inherently mean Muslim.

Umm... it was meant as a joke... that's why I not only put a devil smiley after it, but I began the next part of the post with "In all seriousness". But thanks for the kind words!

Umm, yourself. I mentioned you "joking" about it in my post (note the bold part), which doesn't in any way change the ignorance of the comment or the offensive nature of the "joke" itself..

It's right up there with you "joking" that a black man playing a fictional ancient Norse god/alien in a comic book movie is equivalent to a white man playing Martin Luther King Jr. in a serious biopic.
 
I haven't seen people offended by Christmas, but I have seen people offended (sneering) at those who don't give a "Merry Christmas", and instead return another holiday response. Modern Christians seem to think that this season is all about their religion, and no one else's. Christmas is ubiquitous enough, you can't really escape it, but that's not good enough for those who basically expect the entire world to convert in December.
 
It's funny that Christians get their knickers in a twist about Christmas, since the whole celebration is a pretty recent and largely secular invention. Hell, puritans banned any celebration of the day altogether. Christians hopped aboard a moving train, here.

But then Oliver Roy makes a good point when he argues that the whole contemporary "traditional Christian values" movement in some Western countries like mine is entirely a modern fabrication, dependent upon mass communications and an ignorance of religious history and theology for its very cohesion.
 
I haven't met anyone offended by Christmas. I've met plenty of people offended by "holidays".

I suspect that if Fox News told them that food was anti-christian, they'd all starve to death.
 
I haven't met anyone offended by Christmas. I've met plenty of people offended by "holidays".

I suspect that if Fox News told them that food was anti-christian, they'd all starve to death.

No, they'd eat behind closed doors at home, but point fingers at everyone who would dare visit a restaurant, because eating behind closed doors at home is what decent, God fearing™ people do, and by eating in a restaurant, you cheapen the tradition.
 
I haven't met anyone offended by Christmas. I've met plenty of people offended by "holidays".

I suspect that if Fox News told them that food was anti-christian, they'd all starve to death.

Is there some way we could test that? Beck could stand to drop some weight.
 

So now it's Boxing Day that's the problem, then? In that case, boo-hoo. Boxing Day is nothing special; it's merely the day after Christmas. There's no significance to it, there are no traditions besides sales; there's absolutely nothing about it that says it should or needs to be a day off.

And your complaint basically boils down to having to work on a day many people have off, which is just silly. That's an inherent part of working in retail, after all—you don't always have the five days on, two days off schedule that the rest of the world does. I've had to work Boxing Day in the past when I worked in retail, and it never bothered me... just meant I got a little extra money for that shift.

Besides, there are plenty of other jobs that require people to work on Christmas itself. Bus drivers, emergency services and dispatchers, etc., so it seems a little silly to be complaining so much about having to work the day after.
 
It's about The War on Christmas and when those examples don't work it's about The War on Retail Clerks That Have to Work on Boxing Day, apparently. Next up it will be about The War on War Movies Set During Christmas and we'll be totally meta.

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I don't think I even understand what the complaint is here anymore.
It was the War on Christmas, now it's the War on Boxing Day. I guess if we stick around enough, it will become the War on New Year, and finally the War on the Magi.

Don't forget the War on Burns Night. (There are at least three degrees to it. Plus, I hear that deserters get shot for being wee, sleekit, cowrin', tim'rous beasties.) :bolian:
 
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