The Federation Border

[Lorna]

Do we have any accurate data as to what empires share a border with the Federation? I know the Klingons, Romulans and Cardassians do but are we aware of any others?

I think there are a lot more but if there are so many then surely the Federation is completely surrounded? The Federation is spread only across 8000 lightyears. They wont have room to expand.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Tholians

 

[Satyrquaze]

According to Star Trek: Star Charts:

Breen
Cardassians
Klingons
Romulans
Gorn
Ferengi
Fesarius' First Federation
Tholians
Tzenkethi

among others...

Yeah, There are some things I don't like about the maps in that book, but it very much shows the Federation surrounded, but very fluid in its ability to expand. as an example, there's Federation colonies on the far side of Romulan and Klingon space.

 

[Lorna]

Yeah, There are some things I don't like about the maps in that book, but it very much shows the Federation surrounded, but very fluid in its ability to expand. as an example, there's Federation colonies on the far side of Romulan and Klingon space.

The thing that bothers me is how did the Federation get that territory on the otherside of the Klingons and Romulans? it's not like the Klingons and Romulans have always been their best friends and allowed passage through their space.
How do the Romulans and Klingons feel about being almost boxed in? If the star charts are anything to go by then the Romulans and Klingons are almost boxed in by the Federation and usually that would not go down well.

One last thing. Picard said the Federation is spread across 8,000 lightyears. If the star chart are anything to go by then that is not true at all.

 

[6079SmithW]

Space is three dimensional. There is no problem with having Fed territory on the other side of the Klingon or Romulan border. These areas are probably connected to the main Fed territory via corridors that go over or under the other powers borders.

 

[Lorna]

Space is three dimensional. There is no problem with having Fed territory on the other side of the Klingon or Romulan border. These areas are probably connected to the main Fed territory via corridors that go over or under the other powers borders.

How thick is the Galactic disc? I would have thought the Klingons and Romulans would have expanded all the way up and down, and isn't the edge of the Galaxy impenetrable?

 

[Colonel Midnight]

Space is three dimensional. There is no problem with having Fed territory on the other side of the Klingon or Romulan border. These areas are probably connected to the main Fed territory via corridors that go over or under the other powers borders.

Given how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big and empty space really is (Thank you, Mr Adams )... One could probably go straight through Klingon or Romulan space to those colonies and never once know that you were "in" their territory.

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[6079SmithW]

According to WNMHGB the galaxy edge is impenetrable but I don't think it is in real life. If a ship were to fly out to the edge of the galaxy and beyond they would just be going until they exited the galaxy and entered the starless void. The idea of the edge having an impenetrable energy field or something is just silly.

I do not know the disc thickness but there is no reason to assume the Romulans and Klingons have expanded all the way up and down it. There's really no on screen evidence either way.

*edit*
http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/universe/duguide/mwt_disk_comp.php

According to this site the disk thickness ranges from 978 to 9,800 light years.

 

[Lorna]

According to WNMHGB the galaxy edge is impenetrable but I don't think it is in real life.

Well I know that LOL. But it's Trek canon whether we like it or not.

 

[6079SmithW]

Space is three dimensional. There is no problem with having Fed territory on the other side of the Klingon or Romulan border. These areas are probably connected to the main Fed territory via corridors that go over or under the other powers borders.

Given how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big and empty space really is (Thank you, Mr Adams )... One could probably go straight through Klingon or Romulan space to those colonies and never once know that you were "in" their territory.

Cheers,
-CM-

Now that would be awfully sneaky and downright mean of the wholesome and pacifistic Federation. On the other hand Section 31 probably does this on a daily basis.

According to WNMHGB the galaxy edge is impenetrable but I don't think it is in real life.

Well I know that LOL. But it's Trek canon whether we like it or not.

Yes, unfortunately it is on screen cannon but I still think it is a very silly idea.

 

[captcalhoun]

Talarians - Galen Border Conflicts...

 

[C.E. Evans]

According to WNMHGB the galaxy edge is impenetrable but I don't think it is in real life.

Well I know that LOL. But it's Trek canon whether we like it or not.

Yes, unfortunately it is on screen cannon but I still think it is a very silly idea.

To be fair, it has been proven that the energy barriers at both the edge and center of the Galaxy can be penetrated. The Enterprise wasn't successful breaking the Galactic Barrier in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," but was able to do so later in "By Any Other Name" and "Is There In Truth No Beauty?"

The Enterprise-A didn't have a whole lot of problems penetrating the Great Barrier in Star Trek V, reducing the stories about it being impenetrable to being a long-held myth by many cultures...

 

[ngc7293]

If you look closely at those maps, you can take the LONG way around the Romulan border and basic no-mans land and find yourself on the opposite side of Klingon space. You set up a few Star Bases and you the empty space that the Klingons haven't taken yet.