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how many of you enjoy Kirk/Spock SLASH.

Regarding the actual possibility that Kirk and Spock or any other character embarking on a same-sex relationship, I would ask everyone to remember that Star Trek occurs several centuries ahead of our future.
Worrying about the plausibility of their relationship is beside the point. The fun of slash lies in its gleeful disregard of plausibility.

Case in point: if Kirk and Spock were gay characters canonically, slash between them would no longer be fun. It would be too ordinary and expected to be fun.

I, for one, don't really mind K/S fanfiction as long as it's well researched, properly written and stays true to the characters and respects them as much as humanly possible.
That's the polar opposite of what good slash should be!!! :rommie: Dang, that sounds too much like work to be any fun at all.

The whole thing about slash is that it isn't about a romantic relationship, not usually, in the majority of slash stories I've read, it's just two friends who come together for some enjoyable sex within their friendship, not romance.
Now you're making slash sound boring, too. Has anyone in this thread actually read slash? It's usually a lot more, err, "fraught" is perhaps the word I'm looking for? If there's no drama to it, why even bother to invent it?
The sheer emotion and intensity in the friendship between the two characters was astounding to me.
Okay, now that sounds like slash - or one popular branch of slash, which is chiefly about insane emotional intensity, with physicality is just a component but not really the point or even necessary. The other branch is just flat-out insane, and tries to outdo all other slash with outrageous antics, violence, and sleaze, and is often played for comedy, sometimes to the point of deliberate parody.

Much of K/S is about the strength of emotions between the two men and about how nobody and nothing else can supercede that.
Yep. Slash is a lot like those vampire stories for adolescent girls. The fuck-buddy concept is the exact opposite of what slash is about. The emotions should be so intense that it hardly matters if the partners ever have sex at all. (And in the most interesting slash that I've read, what "counts" as sex is broadly defined to say the least. After all, this is science fiction.)
 
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^^^ So then, lot's of Kirk and Spock (shirt-less of course) staring into each other eyes, candles burning all around, while Paramore plays in the background?

As opposed to a scene from "Bare-back Mountain."
 
hehe. That vid's a total hoot. By the way, the "Killa" on that vid is the same person who wrote probably the best (and one of my favorite Trek fics ever, K/S or not) K/S fic ever -- Bitter Glass. The sheer emotion and intensity in the friendship between the two characters was astounding to me. She's a great writer.
Interesting. I never knew that. Bitter Glass is my favorite K/S fic as well.
 
^^^ So then, lot's of Kirk and Spock (shirt-less of course) staring into each other eyes, candles burning all around, while Paramore plays in the background?

As opposed to a scene from "Bare-back Mountain."

No, it's actually kind of... painful (I know, I know. Shouldn't have gone...uhh... there :p). K/S is actually less candlelights and hearts and more angst and separations and danger and jealousy and hurt and angst and... angst. What can I say? It's Kirk and Spock. They never make it easy for each other and the fanfics stay true to that character dynamic mostly....

I'm not saying it's that way with every other pairing. I haven't read too many other slash pairings, really. I think the only other ones I've read are Garak/Bashir, and those are plain raucous (especially the dialogue) and frickin' hilarious.

I've always stayed away from Paris/Kim and Janeway/Seven so no idea what's with those.
 
Most Spock fics seem to be kind of angsty. With good reason, of course, the guy is clearly not in best emotional health.

(I've read some Spock/Chapel in addition to K/S. Most of it is just plain bad, as you can imagine, but there are some angsty good stories in the mix. Spock/Uhura is just wrong so that I don't read. :devil:)
 
But Spock/Chapel and Spock/Uhura are not slash in the strictest sense of the term ;)

Agreed on Spock's emotional health (or lack thereof). Interestingly, Kirk doesn't seem to me to be too far off of the edge. His obsession with the Enterprise comes to mind...
 
^^^ So then, lot's of Kirk and Spock (shirt-less of course) staring into each other eyes, candles burning all around, while Paramore plays in the background?

As opposed to a scene from "Bare-back Mountain."

Some of both, but the first part is the vital part. The actual sex is optional.

K/S is actually less candlelights and hearts and more angst and separations and danger and jealousy and hurt and angst and... angst. What can I say? It's Kirk and Spock. They never make it easy for each other and the fanfics stay true to that character dynamic mostly....

I'm not saying it's that way with every other pairing.
I've read Garak/Bashir, Archer/Trip (the best slash pairing in Trek!) and various selections from other franchises (heavy on the O'Neill/Jackson) and I'd say it's pretty much the same across the board - a lot of hysteria and hurt-comfort fantasies in play.

It's instructive to compare the franchise with the best slash (Star Wars - Han/Luke beats everything from Trek combined) to the one where the slash just doesn't seem to "work" right (Farscape). The continuum is between the extremely naive and puritanical on one hand, and the very knowing and sardonic on the other. Naive and puritanical = best slash; the more knowing you get, the less fun it is, because there's nothing to subvert. Farscape slash is just, well, a Farscape story.
 
not really a S/C shipper,nurse chapel was cute and all but she needed to get a life,TOS spock was an like an andriod....................heck even data had more romance encounters than him.


I read Nu S/U romance and K/S freindship strictly, those are the big two (and the slash) for fanfiction writers and they blow S/C out of the water.

I did a search on fanfiction.net about how many fanfic stories were written about on the pairng of K/S, S/U and S/C and as much I hate to admit

K/S came came in first (however not all of them were sexual many were of kirk and spock going on adventures and even talking about women)

K/S has 1000+ stories

S/U HAS 900+ stories

S/C has 100+ stories


however I rather read spock/chapel than read kirk and spock engaging in sexual activity.


lets keep kirk and spock relationship as bromance not romance.
 
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But Spock/Chapel and Spock/Uhura are not slash in the strictest sense of the term ;)

True, I should've said het. :)

Agreed on Spock's emotional health (or lack thereof). Interestingly, Kirk doesn't seem to me to be too far off of the edge. His obsession with the Enterprise comes to mind...
Maybe this is part of what makes fanfic interesting. "Official" stuff is more limited in exploring the darker sides of the characters.
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.

Oh yes. Sadly I only own the reprint, with the steamiest stuff left out.
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.
I miss out on all the good stuff!:alienblush:
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.

Yeah, Killing Time was hilarious. And well written. I also liked Black Fire by Sonni Cooper. Same sort of undertones.
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.

Oh yes. Sadly I only own the reprint, with the steamiest stuff left out.

They edited out the stuff?!?!? But why????
 
Has anyone here read the novel Killing Time? It's a bizarre alternate-universe tale featuring Captain Spock and Ensign Kirk, with the most blatant K/S undertones in all of Treklit (even moreso than Marshak and Culbreath's novels). I laughed my ass off at the mind-meld in the ships' bontanical gardens (then read it to my Trekkie friends!) - and that was before I read about the book being recalled and censored:guffaw:.

Oh yes. Sadly I only own the reprint, with the steamiest stuff left out.

They edited out the stuff?!?!? But why????


Because Gene Roddenberry hated it and thought the characters were OOC...

~FS
 
I just came in here to gawp at anyone who'd answer "yes, I do!", but Killing Time (assuming it's the same one) is the only Star Trek novel I have. Or at least, it's at my parents' house. I've never read it, and I'm not sure why we have it, but we do. I'll have a glance through when I'm home for Christmas. Is there a way of telling whether it's one of the non-recalled originals without me having to read it?
 
I found one with a pub date of 1985. It's not awful but it's not great. I'm sure I've read worse.
 
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