Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the ep?

[indolover]

I think Way of the Warrior ranks as arguably the best ever Klingon episode in all of Trek (alongside Sins of the Father, or maybe Rightful Heir), and amongst the top 5/10 of DS9 episodes.

But the fight scenes were really gay lol. I mean, we know Sisko is a badass and takes no quarter from anybody. But where did he learn to fight with a bat'leth? Unless Curzon taught him, I guess. and how come Jadzia can kill Klingons by tripping them up?

What is worse is that Klingons are warriors, and all those who serve on Klingon starships are members of the warrior caste (including Worf's family, and Martok, who earnt a place in the warrior caste). So if they're warriors by nature, surely any Klingon can beat the hell of out a Starfleet officer, who only truly learns to fight at the Academy?

So, a great episode, but poor fight scenes.

 

[Avon]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

1. using 'gay' like that is insulting.

2. Even klingns fear The Sisko

 

[SilentP]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Being from a warrior culture doesn't mean that you're automatically better at fighting than someone who isn't from one, it just reflects the fact that you're more likely to accept violence as a way of life. When it comes to how good you fight, it's the individual's inate talent, training, physique and discipline that determines how good a fighter they are.

 

[Anwar]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I didn't like how they re-used the same footage of Klingon boarding parties getting shot over and over, but I did like it.

But the Starfleet Task Force coming in was only 6 ships? How would THAT help against such a massive Klingon Armada?

I also understood why they didn't beam on bombs or anything either: DS9 was an important station armed or not, so why bother blowing it up when they could easily just take it for themselves?

 

[JWD75]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Unfortunately, DS9 suffered from some very poor fight choreography. The fights often seemed very staged and were unimaginative. Generally the fights boiled down to the bad guys standing in one place and jumping as the heros would pretend to hit them.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I don't think the fight scenes tarnish the episode enough to dock it points.

But I will say I find your usage of the word 'gay' borderline offensive in that context.

 

[SilentP]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I But the Starfleet Task Force coming in was only 6 ships? How would THAT help against such a massive Klingon Armada?

I guess it depends upon the class of the ships that were part of the Task Force. IIRC, wasn't it a Galaxy class, and at least 3 Excelsior class that looked fairly modern that were among those ships? While those alone would be swamped by the Klingon armada, they would still backed by DS9, and Federation ships seem to punch above their weight against equal number of Klingon ships, so maybe it's not as crazy as it looks?

Though come to think of it, weren't the Klingons getting their own reinforcements?

Unfortunately, DS9 suffered from some very poor fight choreography. The fights often seemed very staged and were unimaginative. Generally the bad guy would stand in one place and jump as the hero pretended to hit him.

I think most of Star Trek of that era had that problem. DS9 seem to make it worse, because the fights were so much bigger.

 

[Jono]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Wasn't DS9 only rated as PG? You would be quite limited in hand-to-hand fights in that classification. Really that scene should have looked like it was from the set of Kill Bill with the crew wading through a pool of blood up to their ankles in the centre of ops.

 

[Anwar]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Heroes was only PG, and it showed plenty of gore and blood. Course the fights there mostly sucked too. Funny how the more family-friendly "No Ordinary Family" pulled of way better fight scenes.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

1. using 'gay' like that is insulting.

2. Even klingns fear The Sisko

I agree completely, especially with #1. Grow up.

 

[Jono]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Heroes was only PG, and it showed plenty of gore and blood. Course the fights there mostly sucked too. Funny how the more family-friendly "No Ordinary Family" pulled of way better fight scenes.

Do you mean the TV show Heroes? That wasn't PG here. It was at least M...according to the DVD retailers season 1 was given an MA15+ rating in Australia. The same retailer has DS9 at PG, so here they weren't equal.

 

[Solarbaby]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Wow I must have been watching a different episode. I never noticed the enemies break at half time to rearrange the furniture and swap quiche recipes.

 

[T'Girl]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

1. using 'gay' like that is insulting.
2. Even klingns fear The Sisko

I agree completely, especially with #1. Grow up.

I think that protest has unfortunately seen it day and passed. Like it or not gay has aquired a additional meaning, in addition to "happy" and GLBT, increasingly it acceptable to use gay in some contexts to mean lame. I fought against this at first, but it does seem to have caught on in our overall society.

You can't bail back the incoming tide.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

1. using 'gay' like that is insulting.
2. Even klingns fear The Sisko

I agree completely, especially with #1. Grow up.

I think that protest has unfortunately seen it day and passed. Like it or not gay has aquired a additional meaning, in addition to "happy" and GLBT, increasingly it acceptable to use gay in some contexts to mean lame. I fought against this at first, but it does seem to have caught on in our overall society.

You can't bail back the incoming tide.

I say keep objecting. It's such an unbelievably offensive usage (not trying to single out the OP here, I think a lot of people use it without being consciously homophobic, but it's definitely an expression that's got to go).

 

[Avon]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

ok then, as someone who's gay i'm continualy offended by 'gay' being used in that way and i won't stop feeling insulted anytime soon.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I agree completely, especially with #1. Grow up.

I think that protest has unfortunately seen it day and passed. Like it or not gay has aquired a additional meaning, in addition to "happy" and GLBT, increasingly it acceptable to use gay in some contexts to mean lame. I fought against this at first, but it does seem to have caught on in our overall society.

You can't bail back the incoming tide.

I say keep objecting. It's such an unbelievably offensive usage (not trying to single out the OP here, I think a lot of people use it without being consciously homophobic, but it's definitely an expression that's got to go).

Exactly. Just because the phrase continues to be used doesn't make it any less wrong. I agree with junxon, he shouldn't stop feeling insulted just because it's common. If people said "OMG, that's so black" when they thought something was lame you can bet your butt people wouldn't take it lying down!

Anywhoo, I believe this thread did have a topic ... Klingons, Way of the Warrior? Something like that ...

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I don't think the fighting tarnished the episode anymore than any other Klingon episode but it was a bit silly in some parts. Trek has always been inconsistent about Klingons...sometimes they're far stronger than a human, sometimes they're on par...it depends on the story, unfortunately.

It's the Law of the Conservation of Ninjutsu, one Klingon (or Ninja) is nigh unstoppable, but a bunch of Klingons is doomed.

 

[flemm]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Anywhoo, I believe this thread did have a topic ... Klingons, Way of the Warrior? Something like that ...

Ironically, a BS adjective selection would seem to have slightly tarnished this thread which might otherwise have been in the top 5/10 all-time on the DS9 forums

On topic, no, I think the fight scenes are actually quite good by Trek standards, though they are choreographed like stage fights, without the choppy editing and exaggerated sound effects that are currently popular for making fights seem less, well... choreographed.

From a fanwank perspective, Starfleet officers have always held their own against opponents that should theoretically have a big advantage (Kirk vs. Khan), so Starfleet combat training must be pretty awesome: Dax and Sisko definitely attended Kirk-fu 101, which meets from 9:30-10:45 every morning in the academy dojo

O'Brien must have cut some class, and Kira... well, she gets stabbed. And anyway, Kira possesses the Kira-fu, which is quite similar to the Kirk-fu, but they teach it on Bajor. There, problem solved

 

[Photon]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

I think that protest has unfortunately seen it day and passed. Like it or not gay has aquired a additional meaning, in addition to "happy" and GLBT, increasingly it acceptable to use gay in some contexts to mean lame. I fought against this at first, but it does seem to have caught on in our overall society.

You can't bail back the incoming tide.

I say keep objecting. It's such an unbelievably offensive usage (not trying to single out the OP here, I think a lot of people use it without being consciously homophobic, but it's definitely an expression that's got to go).

Exactly. Just because the phrase continues to be used doesn't make it any less wrong. I agree with junxon, he shouldn't stop feeling insulted just because it's common. If people said "OMG, that's so black" when they thought something was lame you can bet your butt people wouldn't take it lying down!

Anywhoo, I believe this thread did have a topic ... Klingons, Way of the Warrior? Something like that ...

You could really go for the jugular if you said...."man, that fight in Ops between the crew and the Klingons was staged and white, straight, conservative, Christian, male..."

There ya go nobody gets offended

 

[ALF]

Re: Did the BS fight scenes in Way of the Warrior slightly tarnish the

Usually Trek needs more fight scenes.
IMHO, The Way of the Warrior was the high(est) point of the series.