Technically, the Horta would fall into that category, wouldn't it? How many people did Mama kill?
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Yeah, but how many of Mama's babies did the miners kill? I think the Horta is more of a victim acting on self-defense rather than a true villain.
Perhaps, but (using the Gorn as an example) here was a TV series which, like all series, had to deal with a budget. One of the expenses of the show was, obviously, makeup and costumes. So, once the producers had spent $$ on a giant lizardman costume why not reuse it regardless of anticipated syndication?
Thank you very much. I agree whole-heartedly.
For all his supposed superior intelligence, Khan was a loser and a douchebag who behaved like a child.
Dude, seriously, go throw temper tantrums at someone who cares. Talk to the hand.
He tried to commandeer Kirk's ship, Kirk won, the Federation stranded them on a planet, the planet became a desert. What the fuck did he blame Kirk for, was he supposed to babysit the lot of them for the rest of eternity? If anything, blame the beaurocrats.
If he had any brains whatsoever, he'd realise that. But he's retarded. That's why he ended up getting killed. That's why he chased the guy who had more right to be pissed off than he did, for reasons that made zero sense. That's why he tried commandeering the Big E in the first place instead of trying a slower, more subtle approach. That's why Kirk defeated him twice. Because he's retarded.
Do I ever want to see him again? Uh.... not really, no.
end rant.
Kahn wasn't retarded. He was a sociopath. He viewed everything through his own sense of entitlement. He hated Kirk because Kirk beat him.
As for Kahn being the 'best' villain, the funny thing to me is that, as I recall, before the movie most fans viewed him as just another baddie of the week. If people remembered him at all it was because we all knew Ricardo Montebahn from other work, like Fantasy Island and the Chrysler commercials.
As for Kahn being the 'best' villain, the funny thing to me is that, as I recall, before the movie most fans viewed him as just another baddie of the week. If people remembered him at all it was because we all knew Ricardo Montebahn from other work, like Fantasy Island and the Chrysler commercials.
That's the core of it, Khan got a movie to himself which was more than what other (more deserving) TOS villains got. I mean, sure he's still just a psycho manchild in the movie but it's a movie regardless.
Makes me wish even MORE that they used Kor as the Klingon General in TUC, show you what a GOOD TOS villain would be like in a movie.
Makes me wish even MORE that they used Kor as the Klingon General in TUC, show you what a GOOD TOS villain would be like in a movie.
Of course he was a sociopath, but that didn't make him any less retarded. He was a complete moron who didn't live up to his rumoured "superior intelligence" even once. And yes, he did get more attention than he deserved....and people complain about Nero, who was also retarded but at least no-one ever said that he was supposed to be superior.
I liked General Whatshisname in TUC, although they could have done the same thing using Kor, that's true. But at least he wasn't your usual (well TNG era) HARHARHAR! Bloodwine!Headbutt!Bad Breath! HonourHonourHonour! Klingon... one of the reasons I like the film so much. That bloke had style. He had brains...unlike some.
I liked General Whatshisname in TUC, although they could have done the same thing using Kor, that's true. But at least he wasn't your usual (well TNG era) HARHARHAR! Bloodwine!Headbutt!Bad Breath! HonourHonourHonour! Klingon... one of the reasons I like the film so much. That bloke had style. He had brains...unlike some.
I'd say it was less an issue of being "retarded' and more a question of not knowing his limitations in the face of several centuries of advances in technology. One positive about the WoK is how it demonstrated that, after adapting to the desert planet, Kahn was able to use it ruthlessly to get very close to achieving his ends.
In fact, if you think about the whole "better to rule in hell" thing, part of the idea of Kahn was that he was, like Satan, allowing pride to bring about his downfall.
In fact, if you think about the whole "better to rule in hell" thing, part of the idea of Kahn was that he was, like Satan, allowing pride to bring about his downfall.
Well, Ceti Alpha 5 was hardly "Hell" until after the other world exploded and shifted its orbit.
Frankly, that Kirk up and forgot about Khan was strange to me. You'd think he'd have told Starfleet Command that he had dumped a criminal from the past on that world in case anyone else ever went to it. Or at least put up a beacon to warn off any non-Fed starships.
Also, what about McGivers? I mean, what did he tell her family and/or loved ones? Wouldn't they have demanded someone go to Ceti Alpha sometimes to check up on her?
Frankly, that Kirk up and forgot about Khan was strange to me. You'd think he'd have told Starfleet Command that he had dumped a criminal from the past on that world in case anyone else ever went to it. Or at least put up a beacon to warn off any non-Fed starships.
Also, what about McGivers? I mean, what did he tell her family and/or loved ones? Wouldn't they have demanded someone go to Ceti Alpha sometimes to check up on her?
Kirk would have had to inform Starfleet, he's missing a crewman. Starfleet then probably listed McGivers 'Missing-in-Action' as they wouldn't want anyone to know that they had just dumped a group of super-humans of Ceti Alpha V.
Kirk had probably thought that Starfleet would keep tabs on Khan after the initial encounter. Then I imagine Khan fell through the cracks of Starfleet's huge bureaucracy.
That sort of sounds scummy they'd just flat out lie to her family like that (though maybe she deserved it for being so quick to sell out the crew to Khan). I always figured the Statute of Limitations had long since run out on the Supermen and their actions in the Eugenics Wars and they wouldn't be considered criminals anymore.
Yeah, though you'd think it might even occur to Chekov to let Terrell know that the Ceti system might be dangerous.
"Sir, I was just counting the number of planets that are supposed to be here and the 6th one we wanted to check is gone. The furthest one out was one I helped Admiral Kirk dump some criminals off on years ago so we should avoid it."
1. It's never good to let the general public know that you've allowed a group of people free that have caused devastation on a planetary level.
2. I don't believe the statute of limitations apply to murder and war crimes. I may be wrong.
3. Never bought the magical 'we can see everything with sensors'. When the orbit of Ceti Alpha V shifted, it's new orbit may have intersected with Ceti Alpha VI's old orbit. If they didn't have an obvious reason to count the number of planets... why would they?
4. It doesn't look like anything seems amiss to Chekov until they are planet side and he sees the 'Botany Bay' markings. When you've been doing planetary exploration for twenty years I'm sure some things blur together.
Why thank you, my thoughts exactly. If he was so bloody superior, then why did he plan the whole let's-steel-enterprise like an amateur? Why steel it in the first place? He didn't know shit about this new time. Granted, he read all the books. But honestly, who ever understood everything about a time by reading a book? Khan is a nerd. I would have keept a low profile, gathered information and then planed a world take over with stile.
Bloody rooki.
Now Chan, HE was cool.
I was under the impression that they had tried and convicted the lot of them and only then dumped them on the planet, and that Kirk had nothing to do with that decision.
And I still think Khan was kind of dumb. Like my friend above me has stated, commandeering the Big E was a rookie move and bound to go awry. If he were as smart as he was supposed to be, he would have waited and learned more before trying to conquer the universe or whatever nefarious goal he was aiming for.
The whole thing was juvenile and not at all smart. If he had any brains, he'd ignore his must-conquer-people impulses and go about the whole matter in a rational way...which he obviously didn't.
Ergo, stoopid.
I didn't like this epi either, but he doesn't quali as a good villain for me. Granted, he manipulated some kids, but that was it. You are right about the childrens abuse, but still.
Hey, he's an attorney!!! A heartless money sucking parasite that corrupts all he touches.. no wonder those kids had to be un-brainwashed by Kirk and Spock...
(He probably told them about some class action lawsuit they might qualify for)
I need to see the epi again just for the fun of thinking that!
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