How do you want the regeneration limit dealt with?

[Bones2]

^Or someone who just consistently goes against the grain of the majority in an effort to be seen and heard, rather than having anything positive to offer...

...I'm sorry, what?



As for what I was saying regarding it more likely being mainly new Who fans who'd vote against there being a coherent explanation, I think to not do so and just glibly dismiss the issue is completely unnecessary considering the story possibilities, and would be disrespectful to the history of the show. But if you're only really into new Who, that explains why you wouldn't care. Still, as there is potential for it being done really well in an interesting way, why would you not want that?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I voted for the last option and just because I don't care doesn't mean I can't post to say I don't care. This is an opinion poll after all, frankly I think there should have been a fifth option.

 

[intrinsical]

It just so happens that my local station is broadcasting Star Trek right at this moment. So I am reminded of how callous JJ has treated Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test by turning it into one huge pointless in-joke.

Any story about the Doctor getting regenerations is going to be a fanservice, just like Kirk's Kobayashi Maru test is for Trek fans. Regardless of how well it is done, some segment of the Doctor Who fanbase is bound to be be disappointed. And if its going to be done badly, I honestly don't want to see it. For this reason, I much rather they just get the Doctor to say something glib and be done with it.

 

[The]

^Or someone who just consistently goes against the grain of the majority in an effort to be seen and heard, rather than having anything positive to offer...

...I'm sorry, what?

Not you. All the ones who go around arbitrarily shouting against any story that would deal with it. Those are the ones who claim not enough interest and investment in the story. It's not "important" enough. Therefore, since they aren't invested in the series...yet, oppose a proper story....they must just want attention on the internet. See, if they just agree, no one pays them any attention. But, if they consistently fight against it, then the only logical conclusion is they don't actually have any real ground to stand on. They just don't like some posters here. So, they take a stance against anything they like, automatically, without any rhyme or reason. They'll tell you that it's not "important" enough to do a story on. But, since they don't have enough interest invested in the show in the first place, I think we can see that it's obviously a lie they project in an attempt at seeming "cool" on a message board.

Me? I like Doctor Who enough to care and invest time and thought into it. People who just post to troll should just go back to reality shows and other insta-depth entertainment made expressly for their kind. RTD approves...

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Not you. All the ones who go around arbitrarily shouting against any story that would deal with it. Those are the ones who claim not enough interest and investment in the story. It's not "important" enough. Therefore, since they aren't invested in the series...yet, oppose a proper story....they must just want attention on the internet. See, if they just agree, no one pays them any attention. But, if they consistently fight against it, then the only logical conclusion is they don't actually have any real ground to stand on. They just don't like some posters here. So, they take a stance against anything they like, automatically, without any rhyme or reason. They'll tell you that it's not "important" enough to do a story on. But, since they don't have enough interest invested in the show in the first place, I think we can see that it's obviously a lie they project in an attempt at seeming "cool" on a message board.

Me? I like Doctor Who enough to care and invest time and thought into it. People who just post to troll should just go back to reality shows and other insta-depth entertainment made expressly for their kind. RTD approves...

I like Doctor Who so much that I stopped posting here.

 

[Bones2]

I like Doctor Who so much that I stopped posting here.

No you didn't.

 

[intrinsical]

^Or someone who just consistently goes against the grain of the majority in an effort to be seen and heard, rather than having anything positive to offer...

...I'm sorry, what?

Not you. All the ones who go around arbitrarily shouting against any story that would deal with it. Those are the ones who claim not enough interest and investment in the story. It's not "important" enough. Therefore, since they aren't invested in the series...yet, oppose a proper story....they must just want attention on the internet. See, if they just agree, no one pays them any attention. But, if they consistently fight against it, then the only logical conclusion is they don't actually have any real ground to stand on. They just don't like some posters here. So, they take a stance against anything they like, automatically, without any rhyme or reason. They'll tell you that it's not "important" enough to do a story on. But, since they don't have enough interest invested in the show in the first place, I think we can see that it's obviously a lie they project in an attempt at seeming "cool" on a message board.

On the contrary, the people opposing a proper story are saying it is TOO important a story. If told, the story must be brilliant, magnificent and cannot screw things ups. Given a choice between a screwed up story and leaving the story untold, we would choose the latter.

 

[RoJoHen]

I'd like some combination of the first and last option. I think the 13 lives thing needs to be addressed in the story, and it seems unlikely that they would want to kill him off for good (especially because his 13th life will probably happen sometime in the next few years).

Here are my hopes:

1) They write the 13th Doctor as if he knows that this is his last life. I'd like to see how he would behave knowing his death could come at any moment.

2) When they give him more regenerations, don't give them a limit (because if you give him another X amount of lives, you'll just run into the same problem once he reaches that limit), and don't make them infinite (the Doctor SHOULD be mortal). I'd like to think that any of the Doctor's future regenerations could potentially be his last.

I actually think it would be really cool if the 13th Doctor died knowing it's his real, final death, and then wake up as the 14th Doctor completely surprised that he's still alive. It would throw his entire existence into question. You could even have the Doctor's story arc for that season be him trying to figure out "why he's here."

 

[Shazam!]

And have another idiotic three part episode where the hilarious in-joke is explained away thus ruining one of the best episodes of Star Trek due to anal fans who take everything too god damn seriously? Yeah, I'll keep my vote with "make fun of it".

It's a TV show. We don't need an explanation for a throwaway line over three decades ago. Dude, chill out and enjoy the ride.

We don't 'need' anything but as if you can't see the potential for a dramatic 'conclusion' to the Doctor's life with meddling Time Lords and a race against a time for the Doctor to save his own life.

Or we could just have Daleks trying to destroy the Earth again, I guess.

 

[Shazam!]

I actually think it would be really cool if the 13th Doctor died knowing it's his real, final death, and then wake up as the 14th Doctor completely surprised that he's still alive. It would throw his entire existence into question.

I think it's entirely possible that they'd end it for a few years after the 13th Doctor and then just start a new series with a 14th Doctor who has no idea what happened and the arc of the series is him finding out.

 

[Sci]

A glib line if anything, preferably no acknowledgment of the issue at all. It's not important enough to warrant any real story attention.

 

[Bones2]

A glib line if anything, preferably no acknowledgment of the issue at all. It's not important enough to warrant any real story attention.

The lifespan on the main character, something that has been established for a long time and instrumental in many stories since, isn't important enough to warrant any real story attention? I suppose there's more important gravedigging to be done, like the complete fucking shit of The Hungry Earth.

Tell me Sci, do you view Doctor Who as one whole show since 1963, or do you only care about 2005 onwards? I'm not being unpleasant, but I'm interested to know.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Wait a minute not to hijack the thread but how did JJ turn the Kobyashi Maru into a joke? The whole scene was a joke from the start and a nod to Kirk's line from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan right down to the eating of the apple. I'll agree that it was a little overboard with the humor but that was well within the established confines of the character at the time. I had no problem with how that scene was depicted.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

On the contrary, the people opposing a proper story are saying it is TOO important a story. If told, the story must be brilliant, magnificent and cannot screw things ups. Given a choice between a screwed up story and leaving the story untold, we would choose the latter.

This is my viewpoint as well. I wouldn't have trusted RTD to have told a story about the Doctor in his last incarnation searching for a way out. Much as I trust in the Moffat, I don't think I'd trust even he to tackle it. I might've trusted Robert Holmes, and I might trust Steve Parkhouse. Wouldn't trust Eric Saward, though.

In short, I could see this story going completely wrong. I know the great fodder for storytelling a regeneration limit could be, it would make for an interesting season-long story arc. But once you've gone to that well, what else is there? No, best to ignore it and move on.

 

[Professor Zoom]

A glib line if anything, preferably no acknowledgment of the issue at all. It's not important enough to warrant any real story attention.

The lifespan on the main character, something that has been established for a long time and instrumental in many stories since, isn't important enough to warrant any real story attention? I suppose there's more important gravedigging to be done, like the complete fucking shit of The Hungry Earth.

Tell me Sci, do you view Doctor Who as one whole show since 1963, or do you only care about 2005 onwards? I'm not being unpleasant, but I'm interested to know.

Well, I'm a fan of the whole series...and I see them as one, really.

The whole idea of The Doctor being mortal, or not, within the series is discussed, but I know that the show will be on, the Doctor will continue on so long as the show remains popular. AND, if there were to be a 14th Doctor, he (or she) would be announced WELL before the regeneration story.

So, it's not like there would be any sort of tension, will he die? Will he live? We KNOW that he will, because we've been talking about the casting of the 14th Doctor for months.

Maybe not a glib line, but, I don't need a BIG story about it. I don't think the mystery would be that compelling. It's Time Lord Technology, it might as well be waving a magic wand.

The tension in any given story of the Doctor isn't whether or not he will live, but HOW he will get out of a situation.

 

[Avon]

there will probably be a 14th doctor eventually. he will say something along the lines of

'i'm very old and sometimes i forget important stuff about internal continuity, but life goes on...'

his current companions will just take it as the doctor being eccentric and ignore the comment.

or he really dies after 13 and the Radio Times will need something else to put on its cover.

 

[intrinsical]

Wait a minute not to hijack the thread but how did JJ turn the Kobyashi Maru into a joke? The whole scene was a joke from the start and a nod to Kirk's line from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan right down to the eating of the apple. I'll agree that it was a little overboard with the humor but that was well within the established confines of the character at the time. I had no problem with how that scene was depicted.

I'll keep it short. The original Kirk was given a Commendation for original thinking, JJ gave us a Kirk that was instead Court-marshaled for cheating.

 

[Kelthaz]

And have another idiotic three part episode where the hilarious in-joke is explained away thus ruining one of the best episodes of Star Trek due to anal fans who take everything too god damn seriously? Yeah, I'll keep my vote with "make fun of it".

It's a TV show. We don't need an explanation for a throwaway line over three decades ago. Dude, chill out and enjoy the ride.

We don't 'need' anything but as if you can't see the potential for a dramatic 'conclusion' to the Doctor's life with meddling Time Lords and a race against a time for the Doctor to save his own life.

Or we could just have Daleks trying to destroy the Earth again, I guess.

Oh, I see the dramatic potential. I just don't want the writers forced to write a story about a regeneration limit that is based on a throwaway line from the 70's. That's complete fan-wankery. I hate fan-wankery.

The reason I mentioned the Klingon ridges issue is because that's exactly what I hate about sci-fi shows. DS9 made a funny joke denting the fourth wall and fans flipped out demanding an explanation. The writers gave them one. I really don't want to see Doctor Who turned into a show so obsessed with continuity that every minor plot point from before the writers were even born needs to be addressed. I just want Doctor Who to be good, wacky fun.

As for what I was saying regarding it more likely being mainly new Who fans who'd vote against there being a coherent explanation, I think to not do so and just glibly dismiss the issue is completely unnecessary considering the story possibilities, and would be disrespectful to the history of the show. But if you're only really into new Who, that explains why you wouldn't care. Still, as there is potential for it being done really well in an interesting way, why would you not want that?

Not true in my case. I admit I started watching NuWho first, but I much prefer the classic series over the new series.

 

[The]

A glib line if anything, preferably no acknowledgment of the issue at all. It's not important enough to warrant any real story attention.

And thus my point proven, perfectly.

Tell me Sci, do you view Doctor Who as one whole show since 1963, or do you only care about 2005 onwards? I'm not being unpleasant, but I'm interested to know.

We've had this discussion before. He only counts 2005-onwards as "real" Doctor Who...

 

[The]

based on a throwaway line from the 70's.

And here we have the key piece of misinformation that RTD and Gang put out there during their era. "Oh it was just ONE throwaway line from the 70's". No, it was a STORY from the 70's (btw, which parts of his own stories would he consider "throwaway", I wonder?) that went on to prop-up twenty-five years of the show, and is a concrete fact of the series. RTD just says it was "one line" because he neither knows, nor cares. And yes {INSERT RANDOM POSTER WANTING TO SOUND 'Above the crowd' AND PSEUDO-INTELLIGENT}, I'm sure anyone can reply with "well he shouldn't" or something. These are the same people that parrot the ignorance that RTD and Gang put out there. Sorry, I'm sure it would be easy to say "Oh it never mattered". However, in this single case, you are completely and irrevocably wrong. It always mattered, and still does to this day. And all the constant whining and shaking of fist at the fans who are genuinely interested in the show beyond some Doc/Rose FanFic-Slash stories means absolutely nothing. Save your energy for reruns of Sex in the City. No one comes here for your drama...