What Are the Election Results in Your State and Are You Happy?

[Subcommander R.]

So, if 19 had been approved, you would have refrained from complaining, knowing that it was partly your own fault that it was approved? Or you would've complained anyway, like most of the non-voters I know?

Thats a false dichotomy I've had to address for a week. The vote of a single person cannot be considered to be a direct impact. Additionally, I am well within my constitutional and fundamental human rights to express myself freely. Opinion isn't conditional. Not voting doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.

 

[Subcommander R.]

Well I understand about not caring about the 2 major party candidates, and knowing the outcome. But I don't believe I should complain about it if I don't participate.

Why? Why do you think that not voting takes away your right to express an opinion based on the facts as you see them? Would wasting a vote somehow give you more 'right' to speak your mind than someone who didn't?

 

[sidious618]

Saddam never had WMDs. This has been repeatedly proven.

 

[ConRefit79]

Why? Why do you think that not voting takes away your right to express an opinion based on the facts as you see them? Would wasting a vote somehow give you more 'right' to speak your mind than someone who didn't?

I didn't say I don't have the right. I and everyone else has the right. But I still choose to make a difference. Even if it is only 1 vote. Some people are apathetic and have given up. I guess I haven't reached that point yet.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

So, if 19 had been approved, you would have refrained from complaining, knowing that it was partly your own fault that it was approved? Or you would've complained anyway, like most of the non-voters I know?

Thats a false dichotomy I've had to address for a week. The vote of a single person cannot be considered to be a direct impact. Additionally, I am well within my constitutional and fundamental human rights to express myself freely. Opinion isn't conditional. Not voting doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.

Yes, of course you have a right to express an opinion either way. But I'm not going to take your opinion very seriously, knowing you chose not to influence the outcome when you had the opportunity. Your vote does have an impact. If everyone believed as you do, there could be no elections.

 

[Subcommander R.]

Yes, of course you have a right to express an opinion either way. But I'm not going to take your opinion very seriously, knowing you chose not to influence the outcome when you had the opportunity. Your vote does have an impact. If everyone believed as you do, there could be no elections.

But my vote doesn't have any impact given our system. California will always go democrat. If I want that result it will happen without any action. If I want republicans, it will not happen with any action. If I want neither of them (as is usually the case) I'm even more unlucky.

And when it comes to presidential elections, the same thing applies. It isn't based by popular vote and my state always goes the same way. So my opinion has no effect.

I'm a pragmatist and a realist, I don't see voting as something magical or even as something that makes a difference. The two-party quagmire guarantees my views and opinions will never be an option.

 

[Subcommander R.]

Saddam never had WMDs. This has been repeatedly proven.

The Kurds and Iranians would beg to differ.

 

[ConRefit79]

But my vote doesn't have any impact given our system. California will always go democrat. If I want that result it will happen without any action. If I want republicans, it will not happen with any action. If I want neither of them (as is usually the case) I'm even more unlucky.

CA will soon be bankrupt. They refuse to make the hard cuts necessary to survive. And I hope with Republicans running the House, they refuse all bailouts from now on. But since so many voted for other bailouts, I'm not holding my breath.

The country will be bankrupt soon, if we don't slash the Federal budget.

 

[Trekker4747]

I live in Kansas, which is pretty harshly Republican so, no, I'm not happy but, really, nothing occurred that really surprised me. The only things I'm "happy" about are two state issues that passed. One redefining a state amendment from "the people's right to bear arms" to "a person's right to bear arms."

Another state issue passed allowing the mentally handicapped the right to vote.

 

[Subcommander R.]

CA will soon be bankrupt. They refuse to make the hard cuts necessary to survive. And I hope with Republicans running the House, they refuse all bailouts from now on. But since so many voted for other bailouts, I'm not holding my breath.

The country will be bankrupt soon, if we don't slash the Federal budget.

On the federal scale it doesn't really matter. Our national debt is so ridiculously high, and has been for decades, that balancing the budget isn't going to help. We're already in the hole, but we can smile and pretend we aren't.

California operates like a Feudal system. The Lords and the Knights (state bureaucrats, district admin, state contractors, and well-to-do private persons) make a killing and ridiculous salaries while the serfs (regular people and low-level state employees like teachers, cops, corrections officers, etc.) get their asses taxed off and get their benefits cut.

Republican, Democrat... it doesn't matter; they're both Feudal Lords.

 

[Lowdarzz]

All but one of the people who I figured would win, and voted for, did win. The only surprise was that our DA was ousted after one term. I'm hoping the new guy doesn't try the old shake up the office routine, I've got a friend who works as a prosecutor and I don't want him to loose his job.

 

[T'Girl]

slash the Federal budget.

Our national debt is so ridiculously high, and has been for decades, that balancing the budget isn't going to help. We're already in the hole

First thing you do when you find yourself in a hole ... stop digging the hole deeper.

 

[shivkala]

So there's already talk of Impeaching Obama. Is that what the deal is now. Every time there's a Democrat in office, they try to Impeach him/her?

You forget, Democrats talked about impeaching Bush, too. Sadly, I think it's become part of the standard political discourse for all parties now these days.

I think it's just pandering to their base. Let's face it, yes we can vote, but we lack real power in our system. Often we elect people who we think will represent us, only to be disappointed. I think the politicians know that, especially with the president, calling for impeachment makes people feel as if they have some power. Otherwise, with the president, you're stuck with whoever it is for at least four years, which is a long time for some people, and eight years is even longer.

As for the results, as a pretty liberal guy, I'm not happy at all with the results here in Florida. I think Rick Scott is going to make things worse here. And since I disagree with Rubio, I doubt his term in office will make me happy.

I'm pretty disgusted with the state, who, when given the opportunity to send a message to our corrupt state legislature, voted most of them back in. There have been scandlas after scandals here, involving abuse of the GOP credit card, backroom deals which lead to a very expensive courthouse (nicknamed the "Taj Mahal"), etc. And as a reward, these guys get to, not only continue to do what they've been doing, but to do so with a full GOP cabinet.

 

[Subcommander R.]

slash the Federal budget.

Our national debt is so ridiculously high, and has been for decades, that balancing the budget isn't going to help. We're already in the hole

First thing you do when you find yourself in a hole ... stop digging the hole deeper.

Ah, but maybe we can make it to China and ask for our money back.

 

[JWD75]

It's funny how Republicans are only concerned about deficits when they are not in power. It wasn't long ago that Dick Cheney stated that deficits don't matter. I guess that they don't matter when you pass enormous tax cuts for the wealthiest two percent but refuse to offset those tax cuts by cutting spending. Those tax cuts have cost this country well over a trillion dollars. That money had to be borrowed and will have to be paid back with interest.

Deficits don't matter if you want to start a horrendously expensive and unnecessary war using cooked intelligence to make your case.

Deficits also don't matter if you want to reward no-bid contracts to your cronies who are interested only in ripping off the taxpayers for work that is shoddy at best and incomplete at worst.

So where was the tea party during the dark days of the Bush regime? Nowhere to be found. Could that be because the tea party is an astro turf organization funded by billionares?

I live in Michigan which swung sharply to the right in this election. Needless to say, I'm not happy about the results.

 

[KimMH]

Michigan now has a GOP guv, GOP house and GOP senate. I am terrified.

 

[TheBrew]

I am glad that Gabrielle Giffords, the Rep from Arizona 8 got re-elected. I don't there anymore, but I used to work in her office and I very much like the people there.

 

[ConRefit79]

It's funny how Republicans are only concerned about deficits when they are not in power.

The same can be said about the Democrats. They harped on deficit spending, yet spending has only gone up since 2007. Both parties are the same when it comes to spending. The Dems could have repealed the tax cuts on 2/2009. But they didn't. They had super majorities in the House and Senate, but they did not repeal them. They added $700B TARP(They control House and Senate), $787B Spendulus and $700B omnibus and $1T Healthcare entitlement to the Federal Budget. The annual deficit went from $500B when Bush left to $1.4T. This is only the shortfall every year. The real debt is ~$13.7T, which does not include unfunded liabilities like SS and MC. Both sides seek to expand the control of Federal Government, because they like the power. We need to shrink the Federal Government back to its original powers. Both parties have managed to twist the Constitution to expand its power and take turn running it.

As for people who vote Republican, many of us did not like all their spending. Why do you think they lost so many voters in 2006 and 2008. Except for a hold your nose vote for McLame, I haven't voted for them since 2004. The TEA Party is made up of people sick of this game both parties have been playing. Many of its members are trying to take over the R party by putting fwd anti-establishment primary candidates. And if the new Candidates play the game instead of fixing it, we'll fire them next time.

 

[Crash]

The TEA Party is made up of people sick of this game both parties have been playing. Many of its members are trying to take over the R party by putting fwd anti-establishment primary candidates. And if the new Candidates play the game instead of fixing it, we'll fire them next time.

The Tea Party is already proving to be immensely naive given that both Boehner and McConnell have decided that they won't support an all out ban on earmarks. I can almost promise you that that debt ceiling will be raised next year without a single filibuster from your tea party representatives.

Frankly, all the tea party has managed to accomplish is to take over the GOP's bitch voter spot from the crazy theocrats. *shrug*

 

[ConRefit79]

The Tea Party is already proving to be immensely naive given that both Boehner and McConnell have decided that they won't support an all out ban on earmarks.

I guess the people,in those states, who are for fiscal responsibility and a small Federal Government, will have to try and replace them.

Believe me I understand the obstacles. I tried to get someone else in the R primary for my district and Governor. Glenn Beck managed to torpedo the candidate for Governor when she started to gain momentum. My state's arrogant governor didn't even bother to debate his opponents in the general election. Oh well, he lied again to the sheep who voted for him. He has already started working on a Presidential run. With any luck, I won't have to deal with him as Governor in 2 yrs. But I would not vote a Presidential ticket he's on either.