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Which of these statements wold you consider "blasphemous"?

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Or disagree with. Basically bucking the trend with fan favourites...

- The Empire Strikes Back is not the best Star Wars movie.

- Alien 3 is not the worst Alien movie.

- The Wrath of Khan is not the best Star Trek movie.

Personally I agree with all of the above.

Feel free to add your own.

(Can someone fix the spelling mistake in the title please? Cheers)
 
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I'm relatively certain that TWOK is actually 28 years old, and not in fact the next Star Trek movie.

Anyway, while I love Empire, I think Return of the Jedi is the best SW film.

First Contact is the best Trek movie, with XI coming in a close second. I also think TVH and TUC are better than TWOK.
 
"Best" and "worst" are (almost) always subjective terms and as such depend on the sensibilities of the individual.

For my part I tend to agree Empire is the best SW movie, while I've always had an oddly high regard for Alien 3 (despite it's flaws) and I also tend to prefer TUC over TWOK (by a very narrow margin) with FC hot on their heels.

I tend not to measure my opinions against that of others so I can't really say if any of my other tastes buck any trends. In general though, most well regarded things are so for good reason and just so for obscure things. There are exceptions of course, but they tend to be few and far between.
 
Or disagree with. Basically bucking the trend with fan favourites...

- The Empire Strikes Back is not the best Star Wars movie.

It's not, although I concede that it is a reasonable position.

Blasphemies:

Batman can only be interesting again if Bruce Wayne is permanently removed from the equation.

Star Trek V was awesome. (And Star Trek XIII was a can of condensed awful.)

Anything Else was a really good Woody Allen movie, principally because for the first time in history Woody Allen played a character that was not, basically, Woody Allen.

Bergman's Seventh Seal is pretty cool until precisely the part where a guy hides in a tree from Death, at which point it begins to suck robustly.

The mathematical relationship between Soderbergh's Solaris and Tarkovsky's Solaris is best expressed in negative numbers, to wit: Solaris (2002) is -4 times better than Solaris (1972), because giving Solaris (1972) a rating on this side of zero would indicate that it was a film as such, and not the Red October Camera Factory in Moscow making sure their products could actually reproduce images.
 
"Best" and "worst" are (almost) always subjective terms and as such depend on the sensibilities of the individual.

I agree with this.

To me, Star Wars is the best of the trilogy and the best Sci-Fi movie of all time.

I like all 3 of the "original" trilogy about the same. But SW came out first (when I was 10), there hadn't been a movie like it in my lifetime to that point and it was the original "blockbuster" sci-fi adventure flick and is pretty much still the standard that others have been held to ever since.

Not sure about the "blasphemous" term, but saying STXI is the best might be the closest to it that I can think.

I don't agree. I like STXI as well as any of them, but to the purists....
 
Oh, and Fritz Lang's Metropolis was well-intentioned yet deeply boring. In fairness, I didn't watch the one with the Queen soundtrack.
 
I dropped the Alien movies after the second, so I can't comment.

The first Star Wars is the best because (to paraphase Yul Brynner) "It is 'Star Wars'." That said, TESB is a strong second. The rest of them...forget about the rest of them.

People can think whatever Star Trek movie they want to think is the "best;" it's like New Yorkers arguing over where to get the best pizza. I'm partial to both TWOK and the Abrams movie, with JJTrek being by far the superior example of production craft.
 
- The Wrath of Khan is not the next Star Trek movie

I HOPE TWoK is not the next ST film.

I HATE IT when I hear people want Khan to be the next villain. IT'S BEEN DONE!!!!! Let's see something new and different!

Sigh, this again. It hasn't been done because the Khan in the JJverse is not necessarily in the same circumstances as we saw before. Certainly his story doesn't need to go the same way. Maybe he and his gang were freed from deep-freeze years before and have already taken over a planet or two. The story isn't worth telling unless the initial conditions are different, and interesting. If they are, then why not see the story unfold?

We have a whole new sandbox to play in. Even if you suffer from imagination deficit, there's no reason to believe the Star Trek writers/producers/director do. If a Khan movie plotline happens to be the best plotline of all the ones they're considering, they should do it. The fanboys were whining their heads off before Trek XI too, remember that? Then it kicked ass and they stfu. It'll probably happen again this time. I hope they do decide on the Khan plotline just to get the fanboys wound up all over again. :rommie:

PS, Empire is the best of the Star Wars movies, but since there are only two good ones plus scattered good parts of two others, I guess that's not the highest hurdle.
 
- The Empire Strikes Back is not the best Star Wars movie.

- Alien 3 is not the worst Alien movie.

- The Wrath of Khan is not the next Star Trek movie.
I don't really consider any of those heretical. I put the first two SW films on about an equal footing, like Alien 3 in some aspects and prefer it to Resurrection, and don't really care about the Trek film saga that much, but like a few of the films about as much as TWOK.

Batman can only be interesting again if Bruce Wayne is permanently removed from the equation.
I don't agree that Batman can only be interesting with BW taken out, and I look forward to his return, but the last few years have been a hell of a ride. I'm glad DC went through with it.
 
....it's like New Yorkers arguing over where to get the best pizza.

That's easy, the best pizza can be gotten in Chicago.

I can't comment on that only because I finally had Chicago pizza last week. I still have to visit New York to try theirs.

As for movies, I think:

- ESB is fantastic, and for me, it's my personal favorite SW movie.

- I didn't watch any of the Alien movies past the original.

- TWoK is a great Trek movie, but certainly not my favorite by a long shot.

As for me, I thought the "new" Superman movie had 1/10 the heart of the original, and that for me, Christopher Reeve will always be the quintessential Superman.
 
* Blade Runner is far from being one of the best science fiction films ever made. It is an evocative portrait of a city and impressive on technical grounds (and as a futurist cyberpunk vision), but the story and themes, while workable, are far from spectacular.

* Twin Peaks is mostly a rather mediocre soap opera, and this is even if I generously ignore the significant problems and weak arcs that plagued the second season (or the entire season if one prefers). One can almost count on one hand the surreal touches or exchanges that are worthwhile; the show is mostly like a far less interesting and interminably prolonged Blue Velvet.

- The Empire Strikes Back is not the best Star Wars movie.
I wouldn't call this blasphemy provided you think the best Star Wars movie is the original film. Consider Jedi the best film and you're skirting heresy, opt for one of the prequels and you're definitely in apostasy territory.

- Alien 3 is not the worst Alien movie.
Like Dennis I've not actually seen any Alien movies past the second one... but I haven't exactly heard stellar praise for Alien: Resurrection the Alien versus Predator films. Actually I'd hear those three films more trashed then I do 3, by and large. I think this is a fairly safe position unless you try to suggest one of the first two films is the worst in the franchise.

- The Wrath of Khan is not the worst Star Trek movie.
Uh... it'd be blasphemy to suggest it is the worst, truly? This is a perplexing statement, unless you have arrived from a coven of Khan-hating Trekkies.

Batman can only be interesting again if Bruce Wayne is permanently removed from the equation.
*shrug* I don't care enough, but I'd disagree all the same as I enjoyed The Dark Knight (unless this is a discussion of the character as he stands in comics). Wayne, like Batman himself, is pretty flexible - he's a billionaire motivated by him being an orphan to crime. It's an archetype that fits the concept well and I don't see any reason it needs to be thrown out.

Star Trek V was awesome. (And Star Trek XIII was a can of condensed awful.)

I think I need to get my staking kit...

Bergman's Seventh Seal is pretty cool until precisely the part where a guy hides in a tree from Death, at which point it begins to suck robustly.
Bergman's best films are his chamber dramas, honestly, though Seventh Seal is pretty great.

The mathematical relationship between Soderbergh's Solaris and Tarkovsky's Solaris is best expressed in negative numbers, to wit: Solaris (2002) is -4 times better than Solaris (1972), because giving Solaris (1972) a rating on this side of zero would indicate that it was a film as such, and not the Red October Camera Factory in Moscow making sure their products could actually reproduce images.

Your math is wrong. Clearly Tarkovsky's Solaris exists as a Platonic Form (because why use math when I can use philosophy?), while Sodebergh's film is debased by the impurities of the material world and ergo cannot be compared.

Oh, and Fritz Lang's Metropolis was well-intentioned yet deeply boring. In fairness, I didn't watch the one with the Queen soundtrack.

This is double blasphemy. Blasphemy for suggesting that Lang's film is not a work of genius, and also blasphemy for suggesting the Queen soundtrack is an improvement over (presumably) Huppertz's fantastic symphonic score.

Not sure how geekery is supposed to deal with such things, but I suggest virtual stoning.
 
^Three more, like Roosevelt or the Nixon of Earth-4!

Kegg said:
* Blade Runner is far from being one of the best science fiction films ever made. It is an evocative portrait of a city and impressive on technical grounds (and as a futurist cyberpunk vision), but the story and themes, while workable, are far from spectacular.

True, although my problems with Blade Runner are more practical. The film is bitchin', of course, but there are some huge logic problems involving the premise that sneak in on repeat viewings.

I wouldn't call this blasphemy provided you think the best Star Wars movie is the original film. Consider Jedi the best film and you're skirting heresy, opt for one of the prequels and you're definitely in apostasy territory.
:shifty:

But obviously I refer to Jedi. I know there are some people here who prefer the PT. They're weird.

Your math is wrong. Clearly Tarkovsky's Solaris exists as a Platonic Form (because why use math when I can use philosophy?), while Sodebergh's film is debased by the impurities of the material world and ergo cannot be compared.
:lol: No, I actually agree. Tarkovsky's Solaris is a Platonic ideal: inhuman and nonexistent. Yes, I still need to try to watch it again.

This is double blasphemy. Blasphemy for suggesting that Lang's film is not a work of genius, and also blasphemy for suggesting the Queen soundtrack is an improvement over (presumably) Huppertz's fantastic symphonic score.

Not sure how geekery is supposed to deal with such things, but I suggest virtual stoning.
Probably. :( And to be clear, it has nothing to do with silent films in general, which can be pretty great, but Metropolis really just kind of drags itself by its own self-important metaphors to its conclusion.
 
Or disagree with. Basically bucking the trend with fan favourites...

- The Empire Strikes Back is not the best Star Wars movie.
Disagree.

- Alien 3 is not the worst Alien movie.
AGREE! It is actually tied with Aliens for my favorite. The worst is Alien Resurrection - sorry, Joss Whedon, I normally like you, but the movie sucked. (I'm not counting Alien vs Predator, which I didn't even see.)

- The Wrath of Khan is not the worst Star Trek movie.
Eh... what? Is this a trick question? :wtf: :vulcan: :cardie:

Or did you mean "is not the best Star Trek movie"?
 
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