Surprised how opinionated Memory Alpha's Voyager season articles are.

[Anwar]

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"The X-Files" did this nik-nack-paddy-whack of an ending didn't solve anything and like "Moonlighting", proved that leaving sexual tension between characters is often a benefit.

Well, only if the UST was a driving force of the show to begin with and not a minor character point.

And it doesn't always fail, Niles and Daphne were still entertaining, Crichton and Aeryn, Odo and Kira, etc. If you don't make it a series point to have them always playing "Will they or not?" or have too much of their characters be based on their indecisive relationship (ie, write them well enough that their characters won't suffer from getting together) then there's nothing wrong.

And Moonlighting didn't suffer from them getting together, they weren't even TOGETHER on screen very long since they were always apart. The show was just winding down regardless.

 

[exodus]

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As someone who often isn't especially concerned with the behind-the-scenes info, are either of those tidbits incorrect? If not, it's not exactly bias.

As far as I know, they are.
However, it's the condesending wording that supports the claim of it being bias, poorly disguised as being factoids.

 

[exodus]

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"The X-Files" did this nik-nack-paddy-whack of an ending didn't solve anything and like "Moonlighting", proved that leaving sexual tension between characters is often a benefit.

Well, only if the UST was a driving force of the show to begin with and not a minor character point.

I didn't see it as a minor character point, I don't think many fans did either due to Mulder & Scully being polar opposites and we all know the saying in romance about opposites. Them being opposites is what drove many aspects of the show, romantically as well even if it was subtle.

 

[Anwar]

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I didn't mean X-Files specifically, I mean that resolving the UST isn't always a bad thing if the UST was never one of the main points of the show to begin with. And even if it was, like in Farscape, it can still be resolved without harming the show.

I mean, Bewitched was about a married couple and not only did it last 8 years but is still a critically successful show when looked back upon.

 

[DonIago]

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As someone who often isn't especially concerned with the behind-the-scenes info, are either of those tidbits incorrect? If not, it's not exactly bias.

As far as I know, they are.
However, it's the condesending wording that supports the claim of it being bias, poorly disguised as being factoids.

Hm. Granted I'm sometimes subtlety-impaired, but I'm having trouble seeing how the wording is condescending.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

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Well, "but Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D. Moore knew..." is kind of prickly, albeit perfectly true and not terribly-worded.

It's like saying, uh, I don't know.

"Jimmy and Alissa wanted to skip school, but Mom and Dad knew better than to let them out of their sights."

Jimmy and Alissa sound like pretty bad kids here, but we could word it in another light:

"Jimmy and Alissa, overcome by social anxiety and gang violence at their school, wanted to stay home that day, but Mom and Dad wouldn't have it."

Now the parents sound more villainous (albeit this is a bad example and I'm just making crap up; of course the parents aren't villains, but yeah.)

Or finally, in Wiki terms:

"Jimmy and Alissa considered avoiding school for the day, due to recent events. Mom and Dad thought they would be safe, so they prevented it."

Now we have all angles.

Rick Berman just comes off sounding like a dumb hick in the Memory Alpha statement. I'm sure he had his rationale, unsound as it may have been.

 

[DonIago]

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To be fair, it's just a quick DYK...I don't think it's really -supposed- to provide all of the pertinent info, so much as make one curious about the article from which it originates. If that text showed up all by itself in the article proper I would at least want sourcing for the claim that anyone "knew" they couldn't do the war justice in the time-frame Berman was requesting.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

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Yeah, true.

 

[exodus]

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To be fair, it's just a quick DYK...I don't think it's really -supposed- to provide all of the pertinent info, so much as make one curious about the article from which it originates. If that text showed up all by itself in the article proper I would at least want sourcing for the claim that anyone "knew" they couldn't do the war justice in the time-frame Berman was requesting.

While that is true, wasn't the original question about how the quote provided sounded bias? So the replies given would be in conjunction with that, right?

Now given that both statements are true, I still don't see how with the wording given and putting it back in context would make it sound any less bias or condescending. I have to agree with Jeff O'Connor in the fact that we nor the person writing the article knew what went on behind the scenes, that made Berman not want the long war arc. The writer still paints Berman as clueless without proper facts, that's bias.

While the war arc became well recieved by fans, there was always a 50/50 chance Berman idea for DS9's future could have been better. We don't know and the writer doesn't take it into consideration.

 

[Lynx]

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Mainly the sixth season; there's some writing there that clearly demonstrates whoever wrote it wasn't too fond of that year, especially compared to the fourth and fifth. While I'm well-aware that's a fairly common consensus, I feel it's a little... out-of-bounds to be penning something on a Wiki in such a style. I kind of thought it would have been better-served written in a more neutral tone.

Am I misinterpreting Memory Alpha? I've spent numerous hours there and I thought everything was supposed to be written with a certain tone, but sometimes the site surprises me. Especially Voyager sections.

Well, I can understand that some people don't like season six. There were at least one episode which really did drag that season down.

Anyway, it's hard to be 100% neutral, even if you're writing on a website which purpose it is to have neutral reviews.

 

[DonIago]

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In any case, it's a Wiki. If you don't like what's there, change it. If others don't like what you've changed, they'll change it back. And if you feel strongly about your change, you can discuss it there and get a consensus one way or another.

 

[exodus]

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Anyway, it's hard to be 100% neutral, even if you're writing on a website which purpose it is to have neutral reviews.

Critics write reviews about bands, singers, movies, art, etc. they're indifferent to all the time.

It's just fans that can't always be neutral.
I'll bet if it had been written by a casual viewer or Paramount themselves, we wouldn't be even having this conversation.

 

[Lynx]

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^^
Yes, it's always annoys me when some critic who hates a certain band or artist is sent out by some newspaper to write a resencion of a gig or album and then trashes the band just because he don't like the band or artist.

 

[exodus]

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^^
Yes, it's always annoys me when some critic who hates a certain band or artist is sent out by some newspaper to write a resencion of a gig or album and then trashes the band just because he don't like the band or artist.

On this, we can agree.

Quick folks, somebody mark your calendar.