Or Morpheous could've just been wrong. He saw the harvesting plant and assumed. (Of course this is fanwank. In expositional stuff like this we should take characters at their literal word.)
Matrix Revolutions--Holy CRAP
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It's actually Morpheus and yes the critics in their audio commentary made a note of pointing out that he was less than honest with Neo when he recruited and liberated him but then again Morpheus was following what the Oracle told HIM about his destiny. There was lying and misdirection going on during the entire series.
Like the idea this was a planned trilogy of films...
Precisely.
I hear this a lot and I tend to think it's not as cut-and-dried as people make it out to be.
Did the Wachowskis have scripts for 3 movies written at the time they were doing The Matrix? Most likely not.
Did they have some idea what the sequels would be like, assuming they got any? Quite probably.
We can speculate as to how much planning was in place regarding sequels but it's extremely unlikely they were completely unplanned at the time The Matrix was released. That's just part of writing anything: while you tell the particular story you're interested in for the first movie/book/whatever, you leave the door open so you can tell more stories and you give it some thought even if you never end up following through.
So, I think it's unfair to say it's a lie that there was a planned trilogy. It might be an exaggeration but I find it hard to believe the Wachowskis hadn't given sequels any thought at all and hadn't brainstormed an overall arc for a potential trilogy. It's a natural thing for someone to do in the course of writing anything: how far can I go with this? Are there more stories to tell here?
I think this stems from people wanting to blame the lackluster quality of the sequels on something concrete. "Well, they didn't plan it out advance, that's why they sucked." I think that's a copout answer. It is probably more accurate to say the Wachowskis didn't really grasp the potential of what they had--and if the allegations that they stole the story are true, it even makes sense that they couldn't construct decent sequels since the original wasn't their idea in the first place.
But the idea that a series must be planned in advance from day one in order to be good is absurd and has ample counterexamples. There is a balance to be had between doing things totally on the fly and having every tiny aspect of your series nailed down from beginning to end.
Ultimately, whether or not they had it planned or not, stole anything or not, these two movies were rushed into production before there was a good script in place.
Didn't the Animatrix's "Second Renaissance" mention that?
It's been a while since I've seen it, so I don't recall. I remember the little boy getting put into the pod, but not whether they said the bio-electric field pods were based more on the Machines wanting vengeance or just simply for power generation.
Second Renaissance was awesome, though. Best part of the Animatrix.
^ Agreed.
Definitely. The scripts for the second and especially third film needed a lot of work.
I still remember that fan script that came out shortly after the first movie where it revealed that Neo was stuck in between the Matrix and the real world. Turned out pretty close to the real deal.
In The Matrix, the Oracle's prophecy that Neo is the One only came true when he was saved from certain death at Cypher's hands by Tank's sudden reappearance despite what looked like his sudden death. The Oracle must have had some sort of ability to foresee events in the real world. How is mysterious until the sequel reveals Zion is still a part of the system of control.
As for Neo having powers in the real world, if the Oracle does, why not him, inasmuch as he is "merely" a program with a (cloned---unstated but necessarily true, incidentally) human body? It was surely previous Neo clones who used powers over machinery to set up the new Zion, which depended upon machinery, after all.
Actually, Neo having powers over programs in the Matrix is a little baffling. Is his human brain thinking faster than the computers? Not bloodly likely. However then does he have power? Because he's got the password, I suppose, which he got from the Oracle. Which makes the Oracle the true actor in the plot, except we have no clue what she wants. That really is bad plotting.
The nonsense about people as energy sources is in fact contradicted, visually, by the color coding of human and machine inputs going into the Machine City. Whatever precisely the green and gold represent, it is not simply electric power. Human sensorium as a computing element in the Matrix, perhaps, which appears to be the Machine's Disneyland?
Lastly, there is a real possibility that the real world is still another level of the Matrix. After all, there are no temperature differentials as the characters descend into the depths of the earth, unlike our real world. Even more, there are no blue sparks that make machines fly in the really real world, are there?
As for Neo having powers in the real world, if the Oracle does, why not him, inasmuch as he is "merely" a program with a (cloned---unstated but necessarily true, incidentally) human body? It was surely previous Neo clones who used powers over machinery to set up the new Zion, which depended upon machinery, after all.
Actually, Neo having powers over programs in the Matrix is a little baffling. Is his human brain thinking faster than the computers? Not bloodly likely. However then does he have power? Because he's got the password, I suppose, which he got from the Oracle. Which makes the Oracle the true actor in the plot, except we have no clue what she wants. That really is bad plotting.
The nonsense about people as energy sources is in fact contradicted, visually, by the color coding of human and machine inputs going into the Machine City. Whatever precisely the green and gold represent, it is not simply electric power. Human sensorium as a computing element in the Matrix, perhaps, which appears to be the Machine's Disneyland?
Lastly, there is a real possibility that the real world is still another level of the Matrix. After all, there are no temperature differentials as the characters descend into the depths of the earth, unlike our real world. Even more, there are no blue sparks that make machines fly in the really real world, are there?
If you trust TVTropes (scroll down to the "films" entry), the "Humans as parallel processors" idea was what the first film's story used, but some studio execs thoguht it was too confusing so the back story got changed to what we ended up with.
Dammit, I clicked the link and wound up spending hours reading the articles again. Happens every single time. TV Tropes is more addictive than heroin.
The first Matrix, even with all of its weaknesses, is one of my favorite films. Both of the sequels were disappointing, but Revolutions especially so. Morpheus basically disappears, the Zion fight feels out of place and uninteresting. The ending is unsatisfactory.
More interesting than most movies though.
More interesting than most movies though.
Yeah, that site is fucking crack. Webcrack? I always hesitate to clink a link to TVTropes because I know I'll end up wasting a couple hours.
I love all the movies and I get what was being done. They all are a whole and tell the same story. The clue to the whole this is that the Oracle gambled based on what she had learned about humans and what motivates their actions and used that to bring about the end of the war.
I'll second that. I thought Reloaded had cool action sequences - maybe I'm shallow or something but that car chase sequence I truly enjoyed in the theater on the big screen.
Reloaded setup far too many "possibilities" - Revolutions was a big disappointment. To me, the whole setup was dashed. Merovingian, Monica
, The Architect, the Oracle - the whole multiple Neo thing was completely disregarded in the final movie.It took me a little while after the LOST finale, but now I'm singularly unimpressed with how TPTB handed it. Characters/Shmaracters - I still wanted answers dammit. It was a weird non-answer. No clue who MIB and Jacob are, who their mother is, what the island is, just a bunch of "Everybody died and met in heaven!" stuff. Reminds me of the silly stories we had as kids which we could end at any point with "And then they died. The End!"
Yeah, the Oracle and the Architect pretty took everyone else for a bunch of chumps. I didn't care for the whole "chessmaster" angle, especially since it reduced the whole story down to two people representing free will vs. fate.
There would have been no peace at all if not for Smith running amok and giving Neo a bargaining chip with which to secure a truce. There's also no guarantee the machines would keep their word.