Is the great rift repairable?

[Dusty Ayres]

They aren't lying, they are believing what they want to believe. Just like this thread; I had no idea, until now, that some people believed XI was a colossal failure and Paramount would see it as such and go back to old Trek.

One or two more flop movies, and it will be back to the 24th century epoch-with a group of fans ready, willing and able to see it on TV and/or at the movies (there's still a lot of people who are fans of the 24th and 25th century epochs seen in the later Star Trek shows and Star Trek Online-many of them doing fan art at Deviant Art and other places online.) It's not out of the range of possibility. To paraphrase the old saying, 'The same fans that the new Star Trek pissed off when its popularity was going up will be the same Star Trek fans who will be there when it's popularity goes down.'

 

[JoeZhang]

One or two more flop movies,

More? The last one wasn't a flop - as Frank use to sing - 'Use your mentality, come back to reality'.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

They aren't lying, they are believing what they want to believe. Just like this thread; I had no idea, until now, that some people believed XI was a colossal failure and Paramount would see it as such and go back to old Trek.

If someone comes to me and says that they became a fan of a show after getting the dvds, and that they know others who have likewise become fans, then I should assume they are "believing what they want to believe"?

It's so nice that you have such magical insights into their minds...

 

[Squiggy]

One or two more flop movies,

More? The last one wasn't a flop - as Frank use to sing - 'Use your mentality, come back to reality'.

The other movies won't flop either because Paramount has stopped narrowcasting the franchise to only appeal to Trekkies. They want to make as much money they can off of it so they're going to make it as palatable as possible. If that means seeing Uhura's tits, then we're going to see Uhura's tits.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If that means seeing Uhura's tits, then we're going to see Uhura's tits.

Now that's an optimistic future!

 

[DonIago]

Speaking as a gay man, I demand equal uncoverage.

Star Trek 2 - Kirk's Shirt Gets Torn

 

[darkwing_duck1]

One or two more flop movies,

More? The last one wasn't a flop - as Frank use to sing - 'Use your mentality, come back to reality'.

The other movies won't flop either because Paramount has stopped narrowcasting the franchise to only appeal to Trekkies. They want to make as much money they can off of it so they're going to make it as palatable as possible. If that means seeing Uhura's tits, then we're going to see Uhura's tits.

So cheap, sleezy and shallow are something to embrace?

I weep seeing the "Grand Old Lady" that is Trek painted up like a $10 street-corner whore...

 

[Squiggy]

More? The last one wasn't a flop - as Frank use to sing - 'Use your mentality, come back to reality'.

The other movies won't flop either because Paramount has stopped narrowcasting the franchise to only appeal to Trekkies. They want to make as much money they can off of it so they're going to make it as palatable as possible. If that means seeing Uhura's tits, then we're going to see Uhura's tits.

So cheap, sleezy and shallow are something to embrace?

I weep seeing the "Grand Old Lady" that is Trek painted up like a $10 street-corner whore...

For fuck's sake. It's a movie. If you still want it to be around, then you and the franchise has to get with the times.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I refuse to accept that in order to survive, the franchise must pander to the sleezy and shallow end of the viewership. Which JJ Trek does, and this is coming from someone who enjoyed the film for what it was: a Trek-flavored action/adventure popcorn flick.

Is it wrong to want substance with the flavor?

 

[Squiggy]

I refuse to accept that in order to survive, the franchise must pander to the sleezy and shallow end of the viewership.

Funny thing...that entertainment industry. It's meant to entertain.

Is it wrong to want substance with the flavor?

If you want to have higher ratings then Masterpiece Theater, then yes.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I refuse to accept that in order to survive, the franchise must...

You don't get a vote on accepting what is real - you can only choose to ignore the truth.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I refuse to accept that in order to survive, the franchise must pander to the sleezy and shallow end of the viewership.

Funny thing...that entertainment industry. It's meant to entertain.

A porn film can be said to entertain, but no one would call it quality art. GOOD entertainment entertains but is artful, inspirational, and uplifting.

Is it wrong to want substance with the flavor?

If you want to have higher ratings then Masterpiece Theater, then yes.

Previous Trek films did very well at the box without pandering to the LCD.

I refuse to accept that in order to survive, the franchise must...

You don't get a vote on accepting what is real - you can only choose to ignore the truth.

Demonstrate to me how pandering to the ADHD/MTV/realitv crowd artistically is going to give Trek staying power over time. Sooner or later, this fad in filmmaking will pass, and we will be left with a franchise that is poorer for it.

 

[doubleohfive]

For starters, this whole nonsense in referring to the reboot as "the great rift" and asking if it can be repaired is overly melodramatic, rather stupid, and frankly, stereotypical of the "Trekkie" mindset and persona which, I think, many of us would rather leave behind.

Secondly, nothing needs to be "repaired." The franchise is working just fine now.

 

[Squiggy]

Secondly, nothing needs to be "repaired." The franchise is working just fine now.

Better than it has been since TNG peaked.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

At least.

 

[doubleohfive]

Exactly.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Too many people on this BBS spend far, far too much time seemingly going out of their way to NOT enjoy stuff. I just don't understand it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't think there's a rift either.

And if even *I'm* not paranoid enough to see something, you can be reasonably sure it's not there.

 

[Char Aznable]

A porn film can be said to entertain, but no one would call it quality art. GOOD entertainment entertains but is artful, inspirational, and uplifting.

I think the new movie was most of those things, so I don't know what you're talking about. Certainly, it was more artistically interesting than most Trek films since TMP IMO. Furthermore, XI had more heart than the last few Trek films out there.

Previous Trek films did very well at the box without pandering to the LCD.

TOS catered to the general population of the time. It was never meant to be this exclusive club that only supposed, "intellectuals," belonged to. This is a fact.

Demonstrate to me how pandering to the ADHD/MTV/realitv crowd artistically is going to give Trek staying power over time. Sooner or later, this fad in filmmaking will pass, and we will be left with a franchise that is poorer for it.

I can prove that doing the same shit over and over and calling in quality will guarantee to kill interest in a franchise. Know how? IT HAPPENED! The staying power of old trek was already in a severe decline. This is objectively true and no matter how many naysayers want to bitch about how its still viable to make money off of . . . IT ISN'T. Seriously, get over it. Keeping Star Trek fresh, fun, and exciting for a new generation will allow Star Trek as a franchise to continue enjoying success for the forseeable future.

 

[Shatnertage]

I don't get the mentality that making a popular movie is a bastardization of Star Trek. Roddenberry certainly didn't pitch it to the suits as a show that wouldn't be popular.

If we had one or two "more" failures, then we'd likely not see any more Trek onscreen, at least not for the next decade or so. There's no way that, following presumptive box office bombs of JJ Trek in 2012 and 2015, they roll out Star Trek: Titan or a DS9 relaunch or whatever it is people are saying constitutes "real" Trek.

The franchise didn't run out of steam because it was being true to its "ideals" and producing smart, provocative televised entertainment. It stalled because it just didn't keep up with the times. And now it's back, and it is.

 

[Jack Bauer]

For starters, this whole nonsense in referring to the reboot as "the great rift" and asking if it can be repaired is overly melodramatic, rather stupid, and frankly, stereotypical of the "Trekkie" mindset and persona which, I think, many of us would rather leave behind.

Secondly, nothing needs to be "repaired." The franchise is working just fine now.

Yeah, let's say good-bye to the Drama Queen Fanboy types.