I couldv'e sworn Qui-Gon repeatedly said they had no money & nothing of great value to trade for. Greyhound doesn't except dresses as payment for transport. How where they supposed to book transport with no money, offer oral?
Is the Star Wars saga better with Episodes I to III or worse?
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They had a huge, gleaming spaceship. That only needed a couple repairs. Not to mention that if Obi-Wan was able to bribe Han into transport with the promise of future riches, surely the Queen could have offered the same kind of thing.
In ANH you could really sense the urgency with which they wanted to get off planet and rescue the princess. I don't sense any urgency at ALL with anything that takes place on Tatooine in TPM. They wander the streets of Mos Espa, spend forever dealing with Watto, hang out with Anakin and his mom, spend the night, help Anakin get ready for the podrace, and then watch the podrace.
(I may have gotten the order a bit wrong, but you get the idea.
)Buying and installing brand new engine isn't a few repairs and still usually takes a few days.
I see your confusion, you're getting entire scenes and dialog all wrong.
Obi-Wan didn't bribe Han with anything, they sold Luke's speeder to pay for transport. The mission was to Alderaan, they never knew anything of the Death Star or that Leia was on it. It was only on the Death Star that Luke lied to Han telling him he could be rich upon saving her. Han still never knew at that point Luke didn't even know Leia or even if she could pay him. Leia had been cut off from her wealth upon the discovery she was a Rebel spy compounded by the fact all her wealth was gone with her planet.
Roger roger.
...I sort of liked this part.
Even the part where little Boba watches the Jedi hack off his dad's head. It's actually interesting, in a fridge logic sort of way--as near as can be told, Boba didn't become Batman or bear any significant grudges. He's probably the only character in the history of film, possibly fiction, to watch his dad murdered before his eyes, and not be given a revenge arc.
Of course, this is because George Lucas forgot what happened in the OT. But it's almost subversive without even meaning to be. Boba breaks all the rules of fiction. He is indifferent to vengeance; he experiences little in the way of growth or change; he has vanishingly little agency; and he dies in what is basically a stupid accident.
Boba Fett: postmodern minimalist hero? He's like a Paul Thomas Anderson character. He's wearing that suit because he had a very important meeting this morning, and he does not have a crying problem.
Oh, and as a general thing: it's Coruscant. Made-up adjectival form of coruscate. Merriam-Webster says the verb is pronounced differently, but I think they're wrong.
I admit that I mispelled and mispronounced it Corsucant for the first twenty years of my life. I still think that has something of a ring to it.
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They had more options than they needed to get out of Tatooine:
Qui-Gon tried to brain wash the first merchant into accepting useless currence and failed?
He could go to the next one, brain wash him into changing useless republic currency into something with value, then go to the first merchant and buy the hyperdrive.
They could have given their new shiny ship in exchange for a ride out - a FAR higher price than usual for a happy pilot.
They could have exchanged their new shiny ship for an older, smaller ship with functioning hyperdrive.
But what does Qui-Gon do? He bets everything they have on a race with uncertain outcome (kids with 'midiclorians' and jedi are FAR from infallible) - one Anakin almost lost.
They had more options than they needed to get out of Tatooine:
Qui-Gon tried to brain wash the first merchant into accepting useless currence and failed?
He could go to the next one, brain wash him into changing useless republic currency into something with value, then go to the first merchant and buy the hyperdrive.
They could have given their new shiny ship in exchange for a ride out - a FAR higher price than usual for a happy pilot.
They could have exchanged their new shiny ship for an older, smaller ship with functioning hyperdrive.
But what does Qui-Gon do? He bets everything they have on a race with uncertain outcome (kids with 'midiclorians' and jedi are FAR from infallible) - one Anakin almost lost.
If you want to subscribe to the Clone Wars series, Season Two ended with a three-part Boba-vengeance arc (yes, as ludicrous as it sounds, they depict an adolescent Boba trying to assassinate Mace Windu). Take that with as large a grain of salt as you'd like.
BOO.
Watto was the only one with a hyper drive they needed, he couldn't go anywhere else.
"I'm the only one with T-13 Hyper drive, I'll bet you that....."
Remember that line?
If that was an option, don't you think he would have done it? I think they would indicate nobody was selling any ships.
Here's what I didn't understand about that.
Let's look beyond the fact that they could have traded their own ship for a ride [and if Luke's speeder is worth enough $ for a ride, that slightly damaged interstellar craft should have been]. These guys are the representatives of a galactic government. Even if Tattooine is outside that government, shouldn't the Jedi at least have some credit? They aren't exactly fake Nigerian officials sending emails, either. They're real, live in the flesh representatives of the Jedi order.
If Putin shows up on my doorstep without any cash, and says "Give me a ride to my embassy and you get $10000!" he's getting a ride.
HAN: It's going to cost you
something extra. Ten thousand in advance.
LUKE: Ten thousand? We could almost buy our own ship for that!
HAN: But who's going to fly it, kid! You?
LUKE: You bet I could. I'm not such a bad pilot myself! We don't have to sit here and listen...
BEN: We haven't that much with us. But we could pay you two thousand now, plus fifteen when we reach Alderaan.
HAN: Seventeen, huh? Okay. You guys got yourself a ship. We'll leave as soon as you're ready. Docking bay Ninety-four.
Ok maybe he didn't know about "future riches" yet, but they did promise Han a much bigger payment at Alderaan. And all that took was the sale of a crappy little landspeeder. Just imagine if they had the Queen's ship!
Tattooine is run by gangsters.
Watto is a slave owner & runs illegal bettiing
Why would career criminals want to help the Jedi?
Jedi are like cops/detectives to them.
They don't want those guys poking around in their business, that's why they keep to the outer rim.
If you're dealing in crime you aren't going to offer Putin anything.
Nope because if you listen to the dialog after Luke sells it and he tells Obi-Wan they don't have enough for the trip. Obi-Wan tells him they'll figure the rest out once they reach Alderaan. However once again, Alderaan went bye-bye. So did the rest of Han's payment. All this stuff is right in the original OT.
Well sure, but by the time they realized that, they were already off Tatooine.
To the poster who made the comment that the pod race is essentially "filler" and that Lucas "basically" said this in an interview...I'd like to know what interview he said that in because "The Beginning" documentary from the Episode One DVD clearly shows him saying multiple times during the production that the center piece of the film is the pod race...aside from the lightsaber duel is the main action sequence of the flick and it shows him concerned that it look right. Unless you are claiming that Lucas is contradicting himself somehow again...go re-watch that documentary and watch him as he evaluates the footage as it comes in...his reactions are hardly those of a director that would consider that sequence filler. He even goes so far in the DVD to make a comment about it being a big character piece for Anakin in the story.
Take out the pod race and you lose a good third of the film...as for alternate ways of getting off Tattonie, I think it was Captain Tycho who says the only other way to get off is to barter with the Hutts and they don't take kindly to the Republic. They had Republic credits which Watto said was no good...Qui-Jon was in a hurry, what else was he going to do get a job and earn the credits needed? He improvised as a Jedi would and took a chance on the kid based on a gut instinct that was most likely partially guided by the Force.
Take out the pod race and you lose a good third of the film...as for alternate ways of getting off Tattonie, I think it was Captain Tycho who says the only other way to get off is to barter with the Hutts and they don't take kindly to the Republic. They had Republic credits which Watto said was no good...Qui-Jon was in a hurry, what else was he going to do get a job and earn the credits needed? He improvised as a Jedi would and took a chance on the kid based on a gut instinct that was most likely partially guided by the Force.
I'm actually quite sympathetic to this argument - I readily use it to defend T3 - but even apart from the OT changes Lucas makes to tie into the PT, the sheer volume of PT content, now that the Clone Wars are underway, threatens to tip the balance. No one denies that the PT makes SW bigger. But can anyone deny that it drags the series' overall artistic average down?
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan could easily have won the money playing cards - few people have much of a Jedi-proof poker face.
They could also have broken into some associate of Jabba's place, real quiet-like, in the middle of the night, and made off with several bags full of credits.
Hell, they could easily have hijacked a small ship if they'd wanted to, one that could carry Padme and a few assistants at least.
And, if they had to do the silly podrace thing, they could also have modified the cockpit to fit Qui-Gon - I'd much rather bet on a Jedi Master pilot than a kid.
And that's accepting that the Queen's own damn ship doesn't have an emergency stash of quite a lot of dough.
When Han left the Rebel base it looked like he had ogtten his money as Luke pointed out to me, he had his money and now he was running away. It was alittle strange then that Han didn't pay off Jabba between the first two movies. Maybe Han had fallen for Leia and just didn't realize it yet.
Huh, this thread's still going.
Okay, I'm going to clear up my supremely vague answer from about 10 pages ago. I think that the original series had everything absolutely right: the movies were about telling a quality story with excellent actors, and it also helps that it was written for a more mature sci-fi audience instead of five year olds who wouldn't know quality SF if it chopped their arm off. Whenever computer graphics become more important than acting, that's when a series is heading at lightspeed towards the galactic gutter.
I'm going to go place my copy of Avatar in the fireplace now.
Okay, I'm going to clear up my supremely vague answer from about 10 pages ago. I think that the original series had everything absolutely right: the movies were about telling a quality story with excellent actors, and it also helps that it was written for a more mature sci-fi audience instead of five year olds who wouldn't know quality SF if it chopped their arm off. Whenever computer graphics become more important than acting, that's when a series is heading at lightspeed towards the galactic gutter.
I'm going to go place my copy of Avatar in the fireplace now.
It is implied in Empire that Han had been active with the Rebels and didn't have the time to go pay Jabba back...he mentions the bounty hunter they ran into near Ord Mantell I believe. It's also possible that Han felt some sort of security while with the Rebels and didn't feel the need to immediately pay him back.
