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Voy Slash Fic That Disturbs and Fandom

Adm_Hawthorne

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I've been reading fanfiction.net a lot recently. I know, but please don't judge me. There just wasn't enough Benson/Cabot stuff on screen for my liking (or Rizzoli/Isles for that matter).

Anywho...

I swished over to the Voyager stuff and ran across some Janeway/Kim. I know what you're thinking, "OMG EW", and I'm right there with you.

But, a thought occurred to me.

I recall a lot of mother/son text (not even subtext) between Harry and Kathryn. Unlike Seven and Kathryn, where there was a lot of heat that could be taken in a few different ways, it was pretty clear from the onset of the show that J/K was strictly a parental pairing, not even mentor/student.

So, this pairing really takes me by surprise.

Did anyone see any evidence of anything that could be construed as subtext for a romantic pairing between Kathryn Janeway and Harry Kim?

Someone, please help me out here, because I'm at a loss.
 
Adm_Hawthorne said:
Did anyone see any evidence of anything that could be construed as subtext for a romantic pairing between Kathryn Janeway and Harry Kim?

Someone, please help me out here, because I'm at a loss.
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No, but it's not as though established subtext was ever a requirement for slash. :)

I once read some Twilight slash that, given my admittedly limited knowledge of the actual books, struck me as possibly being better than the work upon which it was based. Heh.
 
My Immortal is better than Twilight, IMHO.

I get that subtext isn't a requirement for slash, but you normally don't have slash unless there's some sort of perceived chemistry on screen, you know?
 
Adm_Hawthorne said:
My Immortal is better than Twilight, IMHO.

I get that subtext isn't a requirement for slash, but you normally don't have slash unless there's some sort of perceived chemistry on screen, you know?
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Erm...based on some of the slash pairings...and, er, more-than-pairings...that I've seen, I'd have to disagree.
 
If there's such a thing, I'm fairly certain that I'm talking about "mainstream slash fic", which I realize is an oxymoron.

However, this is not the point of my thread.

My point is...

Did anyone see any subtext what-so-ever between Harry and Kathryn on screen?
 
I never thought of Kathryn/Harry as a couple, but with the older woman as "cougar" idea these days maybe some fans have decided it could be a possibility. (Maybe one could say in "The Disease" KJ gave Harry such a hard time because she was jealous, yes I know that is a stretch.) Anyway, by the time they got home, Harry was kind of more mature, so in a couple post-Endgame fics I've read a Harry/K coupling didn't seem that crazy. (Well, somewhat.) Just saying it's not entirely impossible, anyway if C/7 was ok....., GS.
 
Oh, I agree about C/7 being a joke, but if it could be shown on TV as ok, then I guess Kathryn/Harry could maybe happen too (ie good for goose/good for gander). Not that I would advocate the idea, but may as well give KJ props for being able to attract a younger man, as opposed to TPTB kind of inferring that she was even too old (yikes) for Chakotay by Endgame. Cheers, GS.
 
I did see a YouTube video once where clips of that Harry/Janeway jefferies tube scene were edited to make it look like he was taking her roughly from behind :p

IMO Janeway and Harry were teacher/favourite student, and IRL enough teachers have fucked their favourite students for J/K to be okay by me. If you're into that sort of thing.
 
Well, if they had some sort of sexual chemistry, sure.

That's why I'm a J/7 fan. The subtext is there. Yes, you can interpret it as mentor/student, but you can just as easily flip it to 'something more than that'.

J/K, IMHO, doesn't have anything that can easily be flipped to 'something more'.
 
I, out of habit, never see subtext in anything.

I could look at a picture of the USS Nebraska with the word 'TEXT' written all over it and still not see subtext. ;)
 
It's in the eye of the beholder. Some eyes behold things the rest of us don't see.

You and I are perfect examples of how differently we interpret J/7.

If some young fellow wishes to see something between J/K because he can fantasize something between J/self, then of course he'd create J/K fanfic and or fan vids.

If the writer is female, then I suspect she's writing for another fan who doesn't write, much as AMG was nice enough to to a music vid for an unskilled fan.
 
J/K?...EWWW! I agree, it was really ONLY a mother/son (I almost typed daughter!) thing. I never saw anything close to attraction between the two. For Janeway, Harry was still a child (Kate even called Garrett "my baby" at a convention I believe) and Harry had put Janeway on a pedestal so high he could barely see her anymore. He looked up to her and would have done anything she'd told him to do...what am I talking about? WOULD HAVE?...He did. :p
 
It strikes me that J/K would the the J/ pairing with the LEAST backing from on screen subtext. I think I could find more Janeway/Neelix subtext scenes than I could Janeway/Kim. Not that I intend to look for either!

Excuse me now while I go :barf:.
 
That's what I'm saying.

For example, in "The Cloud" Neelix comments on Janeway's lipstick color. I could see someone pulling subtext from there. Of course, I'm utterly disgusted by the idea, but, still, I can see it.

Where the heck do you pull subtext from for J/K?
 
A question: I thought "slash" referred only to same-sex pairings - or can it be used for any non-canonical pairing?

Adm_Hawthorne said:
I get that subtext isn't a requirement for slash, but you normally don't have slash unless there's some sort of perceived chemistry on screen, you know?
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If only! :lol: Hell no, I've seen pairings of characters who have hardly ever even been in a scene together (and where the only basis for the pairing was obviously that the author finds both those guys hot). Or even those who have NEVER shared a scene (like crossover pairings)... :cardie:
 
Adm_Hawthorne said:
That's what I'm saying.

For example, in "The Cloud" Neelix comments on Janeway's lipstick color. I could see someone pulling subtext from there. Of course, I'm utterly disgusted by the idea, but, still, I can see it.

Where the heck do you pull subtext from for J/K?
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OK. Theoretically! If I were hell bent on making up some Janeway/Kim subtext, I could find some. For example,

-- Scenes when he's been injured or whatever (Scorpion, Waking Moments) and Janeway's in Sickbay checking up on him.
-- Friendly moments when she's just being nice to him (For instance, Hunters, in that first scene where he's carrying on about his mommy and she leans up over his console to talk to him).
-- Encouraging moments (the "weird is part of the job" scene from Deadlock, the last scene from The Disease, maybe something from Nightingale)
-- Random moments when she gives him The Janeway Sexy Look (tm), which she does to EVERYONE so it doesn't really count.

But you see the problem with this, right? It's all visual. Janeway is touching him, Janeway is looking at him, whatever. There is nothing in the dialog or in the overall development of the characters to suggest that she might actually be flirting with him or touching him out of desire. I repeat, nothing. At all. So if a person was looking at the show only in the most shallow way possible, or if they had a J/K fantasy to start with and wanted some material to back it up, visual-only subtext could be found.

But again, it doesn't make any sense, and also again: :barf:!
 
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