Worst Third Superhero Movie
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Batman Forever. I Can't watch it all the way through.
Superman III isn't great, but is made watchable by the excellent junkyard fight, Christopher Reeve's performance, and some good bits here and there.
Superman III isn't great, but is made watchable by the excellent junkyard fight, Christopher Reeve's performance, and some good bits here and there.
What about the supposed studio interference? Particularly, Avi Arad's insistence that the film feature Venom, even though Raimi didn't really want to use the character.
But yeah, I agree, after losing that battle, it does seem like Raimi just gave up and phoned it in.
Oh, and I picked Batman Forever. The beginning of the end for the original cycle of Bat-movies. It was defintely too cheesy for its own good... and yet it was still a zillion times better than Batman and Robin. Ye gods, the horror...
I don't really remember Superman III, and from the sound of things, I'm kinda glad I don't.
For me, Blade: Trinity, X-Men: The Last Stand, and Spider-Man 3 were all a noticeable step down from their predecessors, but not total pieces of crap. While I wouldn't call any of them good films, they have their moments.
Then Rami should've gotten over himself and used Venom correctly rather than, you know, just wedging him in wherever it'd kind-of fit. Venom was one of those characters that he had to do as the Venom story line is one of the biggest and most popular in the Spider-man series. So jsut because he was "forced" to do it doesn't mean he had to phone the whole thing in, or wedge it in anywhere even though it made no sense. Or have the lame Sandman plot(s) or the worst thing of all the Exposition News Channel at the end of the movie.
I dunno... I mean, what alternatives did she have? The way she was written, there was nothing else for the character to do. She lost her home, was permanently isolated from human contact, was once targeted by Magneto to have the life sucked out of her, and was becoming progressively more alienated from other mutants. And she wasn't a very effective part of the regular X-Men team. Unlike the comics and cartoon versions, she didn't have all the other super-duper powers as compensation. What else SHOULD she have done? Other than maybe become a nun. Taking the cure solves all her problems at once.
You could argue that she shouldn't have been written that way in the first place, but that's different. As portrayed, taking the cure seems like a logical and consistent thing for that character to do.
I thought that was the most human and logical thing in that entire movie. Like has already been said, it made perfect sense for her character and that arc.
Go back and watch all three movies but only concentrate on her place in the story.
I didn't watch Blade Trinity so I can't judge. With that in mind.....
Superman III (I loved Supes I and liked Supes II, I know a lot of people who really love II, I am not one of them) as a kid I wanted to kill myself after that movie. I was utterly disgusted by it (then of course IV made me not only want to kill myself but go spree killing and take down as much of humanity as I could).
Then we have the rest.
Batman Forever. I was never a huge fan of the first two Batman films, I found them way, way to uneven ( I would utter love a scene and then by groaning the next). But the third...Wow thats bad...(and again IV is so much worse).
X-Men Last Stand... Boy I really love hating this film, but for two reasons, I LOVED X-MEN II (at that point my absolute favorite mainstream comic film), so the drop in quality really disappointed me, and 2 The Dark Phoenix story is consider a one of the best comic stories of all time. If you are going to do a classic story, could you at least try next time. Not a terrible film, but a terrible disappointment (I still disliked the film, but I didn't hate it).
Spider Man 3, another case where I was more disappointed by the drop in quality (Spider Man 1 & 2 were my favorite 1 2 punch for comic films , until the new bat films), so three was a disappointment. I still love Pete versus Harry (yeah that should have been the film, idiots) and I liked a bit here and a bitt here of the film, but for the most part the film lost its way. I say a C- in my book. So yeah a disappointment, indeed.
Superman III (I loved Supes I and liked Supes II, I know a lot of people who really love II, I am not one of them) as a kid I wanted to kill myself after that movie. I was utterly disgusted by it (then of course IV made me not only want to kill myself but go spree killing and take down as much of humanity as I could).
Then we have the rest.
Batman Forever. I was never a huge fan of the first two Batman films, I found them way, way to uneven ( I would utter love a scene and then by groaning the next). But the third...Wow thats bad...(and again IV is so much worse).
X-Men Last Stand... Boy I really love hating this film, but for two reasons, I LOVED X-MEN II (at that point my absolute favorite mainstream comic film), so the drop in quality really disappointed me, and 2 The Dark Phoenix story is consider a one of the best comic stories of all time. If you are going to do a classic story, could you at least try next time. Not a terrible film, but a terrible disappointment (I still disliked the film, but I didn't hate it).
Spider Man 3, another case where I was more disappointed by the drop in quality (Spider Man 1 & 2 were my favorite 1 2 punch for comic films , until the new bat films), so three was a disappointment. I still love Pete versus Harry (yeah that should have been the film, idiots) and I liked a bit here and a bitt here of the film, but for the most part the film lost its way. I say a C- in my book. So yeah a disappointment, indeed.
The main problem I had with it was that it felt like she took the easy way out. The entire point of the X-men is that its members use their powers to help people, even the normals around them treat them horribly.
Even without her flying and super strength, her power could be very useful. In X-men: Evolution, Rogue didn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, but she still actually did stuff and was a good fighter.
But the movie writers had no idea how to use her. It didn't help that Rogue's role got smaller and smaller with each movie, until she was barely in X3.
Okay, but as written, her powers weren't shown to be able to help anyone. It appeared that all she could do was hurt people. And she wasn't a fighter-type, and she would have been easily mowed down if she tried. She was in an intolerable situation. In a case like that, taking the cure isn't taking the easy way out, it's taking the only way out. As written, Rogue lost nothing by making that choice. And she gained everything. And it hurt no one. Everything in the movies supports this. Her choice in X3 was a logical and reasonable resolution to her problem.
You can argue that if she was written with combat abilities, learned to use her powers better, etc. from the start, she would have been more use to the team and it would have been hurtful to make that choice. Sure, I agree. But then you're not saying she should make a different choice-- you're saying you want a different Rogue. From the start. That's not a problem specific to X3.
You can argue that if she was written with combat abilities, learned to use her powers better, etc. from the start, she would have been more use to the team and it would have been hurtful to make that choice. Sure, I agree. But then you're not saying she should make a different choice-- you're saying you want a different Rogue. From the start. That's not a problem specific to X3.
Yeah, that's one area where I think the allegorical aspect of the X-Men can sometimes run into trouble. Rogue is perhaps the most prominent instance of a mutant's power actually demonstrably making their life worse; it's totally natural and understandable that she'd want to be rid of it.
I bet there wouldn't be this argument if it was a totally new character whose mutant power was to age five times faster than normal, or who was uncontrollably radioactive. Would it be wrong or stupid for them to take the cure? The only reason we're having the debate is because there are more popular versions of Rogue who could actually contribute.
Totally agree about Cyke and Prof X, though.
Totally agree about Cyke and Prof X, though.
I had to vote for Spiderman 3. Like another post said, it's definitely better than Superman 4. Also, Spiderman 3 continued the unneeded trend of multiple unrelated villians in one movie against the hero. At least Superman 2 the 3 villlians were from the Phantom Zone and were imprisoned together. In Spiderman 3 Sandman and Venom just happen to hook up together to take down Spiderman. One villian per movie should be enough.
They had already spent most of the budget on the Sandman plot when they got the Venom order. So, really there wasn't much to be done.
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I picked Superman III because I saw it when I was 9 and even then I knew it was bad. I saw Spider-Man 3 when I was I dunno 33 or whatever and didn't really know where all the hate came from, though I must say I felt the first two were only so-so anyway.
For me it's Blade 3 that was the worst. Superman 3 is a pretty close runner up but the originals were quite cheesy too so, while they were far superior, Blade 3 was just so much worse than its predecessors. Batman Forever scraped by on Carey's performance before they (shudder) cranked up the camp even more in the next one. Spiderman 3 wasn't dreadful in my view, but it was a mistake to shoehorn in a full fight with Venom when the sensible thing would have been to deal with his origin and save him for number four. X-men had its good points, such as the Beast, and the best team dynamic of all the movies, even if the Phoenix was squandered by being relegated to a passive B-plot.
The biggest thing that pisses me off about Spider-man 3 is the Exposition News Channel.
The final act doesn't come naturally, provide us with information through the course of the story or narrative, the movie actualy has to stop and have the final battle explained to us by the news. Something like that is just unfrogivable.