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New Redlettermedia review up!

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I'm not sure if it's hit Youtube yet, but on the Red Letter Media website itself, Mr Plinkett is reviewing Star Trek: The Star Trek :)

Just in case some of you are Red Letter Media fans, but not fans of the new rebooted ST franchise.
 
The Plinkett Equation and proving how each character was not gay were the highlights. The Uhura line to Spock about proving her aural superiority on multiple occasions had me rolling.
 
Fun review. He had gone overboard with his serial killer act in his Attack of the Clones review, but he thankfully toned it down in his Star Trek 09 review. I agree whole heartedly with his review and his conclusion that it was a good and entertaining movie despite all of its flaws.
 
He made many good points, most of which I was thinking myself in the theatre, but he failed to make a case for why it's a good movie beyond "it's not boring". My dog being run over by a car wasn't boring either, but it was hardly an enjoyable experience. He makes an exhaustive list of things that are wrong with the movie, and his conclusion is that if you ignore all this stuff, you'll enjoy the movie.

As someone that disliked the movie, I agree almost entirely with the list of flaws he gave, but he completely failed to provide me with a reason as to why he thinks that it's an enjoyable movie. I don't expect every fan of the movie to justify why they like it, live and let live, but if someone is going to make a 70 minute review on the movie I expect more of an explanation as to why it's good.
 
Was the review that long?! :p

Anyway, he said it was well-cast, exciting, with a fun and engaging story, a breezy Star Wars tone, had a dramatic, hiss-able villain and a lead protagonist with an actual story arc.

In short, it's the best Star Wars movie in decades. ;)
 
I'll give him that it was well cast and had a breezy Star Wars tone, but the rest? Eh. :shrug:
 
Well, I got done watching it and I'd say it's one of his better reviews (as it didn't bog itself down with the "side plot" bullshit with him being a sociopath.)

Pretty much everything he said about ST:09 I agree with and have felt for a year now. It was a movie I liked but also a movie I thought was flawed in the grand scheme of things when you compare it to the more "deeper meanings" in Trek as a whole. As he points out many times in the review this movie was made for and dumbed down the Trek-concept for mass audiences who want quick, mindless, fun.

His going on about the movie ignoring "real science" (both in the real world as the science established in Trek) for the sake of more Star Wars style take on things is also something I've had a problem with. In Trek-proper we know that with Warp Drive it takes days, weeks or months to get between places. In ST09 it takes minutes to get between Earth and Vulcan. Plenty of stuff like that "bugged me" about this movie. The creators treated the "science" in it more how the technology in SW is used and less how it used in Trek.

All fine and good, but off for me.

Good review from Mr. Plinkett and I agree with his feelins on ST09. I just hope the next movie has a bit deeper of a story and takes the scinece stuff a bit more seriously.

Also, "don't forget to vulcanize your nacelle" is now my most favorite term ever.
 
The creators treated the "science" in it more how the technology in SW is used and less how it used in Trek.

I just don't get this complaint... What, there wasn't enough technobabble? (Mr Plinketts own examples of 'science' in TNG were just that - technobabble)

The Star Trek shows rarely had any good grip on science at all. Barely better than Star Wars. Yet it was propped up in fancy terms, and we had episodes about the warp drive malfunctioning, so we could feel good about the show being smart. Yeah, that's science, all right! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
It understood things like "it's silly to make a several-light-year flight take a few minutes."

Or "black holes do not work that way."

Or "super novas do not work that way."

Didn't say they needed to have all of the technobabble, and for what it's worth the scene they showed with Geordi was simply a scene where Geordi was, in a longish way, that the ship should be working but for some reason it wasn't. (The clip was from the episode "Booby Trap.")

The idea is that Trek took the technology aspect "seriously" and knew how things should work and made it as "mundane" as possible because it took place in our future. (I admit that many aspects of Voyager and some aspects of TNG took that notion and idea too far. But TNG was "better" about technobabble much of the time because they didn't use it to solve the "real problem" in the episode. For example much time is spent in The Booby Trap with LaForge arguing with the hologram of Leah Brahms in how to get out of the trap and a lot of technobabble is spewed out. But the booby trap, and how to get out, isn't the idea or intent of the episode. The idea and intent is more how how we solve problems, Geordi learning how to build platonic relationships with women, and sometimes technology has to all be shut off and human instinct allowed to solve problems. A much better example of "technobabble saving the day, but not solving the problem of the episode" occurs in Deja' Q)

But Abrham's Trek treats the technology and such in much more "Star Wars"-ian manner and just shrugs it off. Which, for me, I don't like because it takes the universe less seriously. This is why some fans get upset over the ship being built on the ground, the trip to Vulcan taking a couple of minutes, and the whole "black hole" nonsense.

In the end in ST09 what the characters are doing and why doesn't matter which is why I've no problem with the Red Matter nonsense creating black holes. (The black holes being time-travel devices and not the crushing pits of doom, or that planets wouldn't create too spectaculat of blackholes are whole other problems, however) because, really, Nero and what he is doing and plans to do isn't what the movie is about. The movie is about getting the characters together, the red matter thing is just a back-drop.

But, as a Trek fan, I would've appreciated the technology and science of the universe (both the Trek one and the real one) being taken a bit more seriously. It's almost as if Abrams didn't even bother to care about things like "Ummm. How can Spock stand there and watch Vulcan be destroyed? How can a supernova threaten the entire galaxy in any amount of time to be considered a problem?" and so forth.

It was more like, as Plinkett said, in SWs where we don't wonder, ask, or care how Luke gets from Hoth to the Cloud City in a short period of time in a X-Wing. The science and speeds of ships in that series don't matter. The space stuff is a backdrop for the serial adventure movie concept.

In Trek? The space-stuff is a bit more of a backdrop and needs to be taken a bit more seriously and realisticly.
 
I just don't get this complaint... What, there wasn't enough technobabble? (Mr Plinketts own examples of 'science' in TNG were just that - technobabble)
There's a difference between wanting technobabble and wanting the science to make sense. All the stuff about supernovas, red matter, black holes and time travel was utter gibberish, it was the equivalent of a tornado in Kansas transplanting a farmhouse to the magical land of Oz. The science in "prime" Star Trek may not always have made sense, but at least they made an effort.
 
Thought this review was only ok, and one of my least favorite of RLM.

For my entertainment, his Avatar review is the best he's done. Pure gold.
 
^^ Indeed. A star goes supernova, threatening to destroy the universe?

Er, what?
 
I just don't get this complaint... What, there wasn't enough technobabble? (Mr Plinketts own examples of 'science' in TNG were just that - technobabble)
There's a difference between wanting technobabble and wanting the science to make sense. All the stuff about supernovas, red matter, black holes and time travel was utter gibberish, it was the equivalent of a tornado in Kansas transplanting a farmhouse to the magical land of Oz. The science in "prime" Star Trek may not always have made sense, but at least they made an effort.

Exactly.
 
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