Best acted Janeway episode
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"Drat."
You guys are going to turn me into Admiral Hawthorne soon with all this Janeway remebrance.
BTW, I think you're one of the few that I've ever seen hear that last line the clown says before he fades out. I love that "Drat" was his last comedic joke.
While Mulgrew & Stewart are great, I've never liked how Mulgrew did death/wounded scenes or how Stewart portrays crying. It think his crying looks go if he's on stage and you're in the audience but close up on camera, you can see he's faking it. He does start by crying, he just goes into full on balling every time.
True, but when you compare those to let's say Marina Sirtis' "Captain, I'm sensing *insert emotion*" they were brilliant. Even compared to the over the top death scene in Coda and the crying scene in Sarek for Stewart; I would rather watch those than the counselor. But then thinking of Sarek, come on that scene at the end was brilliant and you could almost forgive his crying methods because of how riveting it was. And for Mulgrew that scene in Endgame when she's saying goodbye to Tuvok and even like twenty minutes later when she's convincing Harry to let her go, those make up for the elaborate death scenes. In my opinion, mostly because it leaves me in tears.
"Drat."
You guys are going to turn me into Admiral Hawthorne soon with all this Janeway remebrance.
BTW, I think you're one of the few that I've ever seen hear that last line the clown says before he fades out. I love that "Drat" was his last comedic joke.
While Mulgrew & Stewart are great, I've never liked how Mulgrew did death/wounded scenes or how Stewart portrays crying. It think his crying looks go if he's on stage and you're in the audience but close up on camera, you can see he's faking it. He does start by crying, he just goes into full on balling every time.
exodus - I agree that while Kate Mulgrew and Patrick Stewart are great Star Trek actors, I also never liked the way Kate did death/wounded scenes or Patrick Stewart doing crying scenes.
Kates death/injured scenes were always very forced (almost melodramatic) and conjured up a few facepalm moments for me. Most actors have their weaknesses and I think this is her weakness. Also at times, her timing can be atrocious.
Having said that, I like her as an actress and weaknesses are only part od being human - we all have them.
I can't argue with those points made."Drat."
You guys are going to turn me into Admiral Hawthorne soon with all this Janeway remebrance.
BTW, I think you're one of the few that I've ever seen hear that last line the clown says before he fades out. I love that "Drat" was his last comedic joke.
While Mulgrew & Stewart are great, I've never liked how Mulgrew did death/wounded scenes or how Stewart portrays crying. It think his crying looks go if he's on stage and you're in the audience but close up on camera, you can see he's faking it. He does start by crying, he just goes into full on balling every time.
True, but when you compare those to let's say Marina Sirtis' "Captain, I'm sensing *insert emotion*" they were brilliant. Even compared to the over the top death scene in Coda and the crying scene in Sarek for Stewart; I would rather watch those than the counselor. But then thinking of Sarek, come on that scene at the end was brilliant and you could almost forgive his crying methods because of how riveting it was. And for Mulgrew that scene in Endgame when she's saying goodbye to Tuvok and even like twenty minutes later when she's convincing Harry to let her go, those make up for the elaborate death scenes. In my opinion, mostly because it leaves me in tears.
henbane, I agree with you as well.
http://www.youtube.com/user/startrekepisodes1#p/search/8/hdVNPUzQkKo
Go to 3:31 to start seeing your "watch.
Now, I can see why you were confused, since the lower half does indeed resemble a pocket watch and the J/Cer in me is SCREAMING to believe that it is a pocket watch, alas the rational part of my brain is saying... drat. I don't think so.
Now.... if there's anyone out there who would like to convince me I'm wrong, PLEASE DO!
Wow, great legwork.
After watching it's hard to say - it could be the same pocket watch with the cover on it or it could be a large locket. Another mystery...
"Drat."
You guys are going to turn me into Admiral Hawthorne soon with all this Janeway remembrance.
Ah, The Thaw. Love that episode!
I grew to like Shannon O'Donnell, and all she came to represent in her family. KAthryn's problem is that she got caught up in the sexy Mars Mission astronaut fantasy and never realized that the real heroine was more down to earth AND more important to her family than a "simple" astronaut.
It has to be a locket, although I like to think it is the watch for sentimental reasons. I mean, what are the chances that THESE writers would come up with that level of continuity?
If they did it would be accidental and something the costume folks found. Although, if it's a locket whose picture does she have inside?
Her father's picture would be my guess
She never really moved on from his death, though I can't blame him.
She never really moved on from his death, though I can't blame him.
A locket that big would have both her Father and her Mother's picture in it.
I don't see her as welded to his death as Sisko was to his wife's death. I think she did move on, she just took with her the lessons she learned from his death.
I don't see her as welded to his death as Sisko was to his wife's death. I think she did move on, she just took with her the lessons she learned from his death.
