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I, Borg... I'm impressed

Quinton O'Connor

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Just saw this episode for the first time since I was too young to really grasp it. I was moved enough to make a topic about it.

To say the character moments were a highlight would be a bit of a misleading statement, because the character moments were effectively the entire episode. There were several that really stood out for me: every single Guinan scene, since there was really an evolution going on with her and it was very enjoyable to watch her actually develop rather than just giving advice so others could for a change. Some marvelous acting came from LeVar Burton, as well as the actor behind Hugh himself. And of course, Patrick Stewart nailed it like a first-rate construction worker, but that's par for the course.

What really makes this episode so memorable for me, though, is how there were several points where I felt sure it was headed for one trope or another and it never quite followed that routine. You see, growing up with Trek (and now re-watching it at 22 and 23 years old instead of single digits and early teens) and also getting into other genre hits like Farscape, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate franchise, I've sort of become accustomed to knowing where a story is going because 'been there, done that' syndrome usually kicks in. This isn't necessarily a bad thing: as they say, nothing's new under the sun, so it's all in the execution. But this episode... this one threw a couple of curveballs at me.

Let's start with the beginning, because it's the beginning and all. Crusher wants to help the Borg drone, and Worf is the saving grace in a moment I was feeling a bit 'ugh' over (which I'd later rescind) when he more or less mentions the obvious here. Picard agrees, so my first thought is that Picard is going to spend the entire episode trying to bring forth the drone's humanity. Certainly not a bad premise (and one that sounds quite familiar...) but I thought it was a bit odd that Picard, who suffered so greatly, was going through with it. Then the first revelation hits: that's the farthest thought from his mind. He's going to use it, as the Borg used him.

So Guinan's trying to prove a point, because that's what she does, and she gets Picard good when he drops his guard in their fencing match on the Holodeck. This tells me the episode is going to be about the drone doing as she says, because Guinan's always right and all, or so I thought. I thought for sure it was going to either feign humanity and then get away, or genuinely mean it, and then at the last moment break free. Nope, I was misled again, and it felt very good. Such great direction.

Geordi's and Beverly's interactions with Hugh are assuredly solid, but what really blew me away were the Guinan-developing scenes I discussed earlier. When Geordi makes that remark to Guinan about how she ought to listen, because 'isn't that what you do?' I immediately thought of 'Ensign Ro', which I'd reached just several nights ago, and I smiled. And then she goes, and she listens, and she realizes that Geordi's right: Hugh is really something. She goes to Picard, and now we have somewhat of a reversal of the fencing match. She certainly catches him off-guard again, but this time it's because she's eating her earlier-spoken words. Picard has none of it, but because he and Guinan go way back (or maybe because Whoopi Goldberg is an unstoppable actress) he gives it a go. And that's where the episode's best scene comes in, and the one that really secured it a Jeff-written topic later on.

Picard beams Hugh into his ready room, obviously with a test planned from the get-go and undoubtedly quite confident he'd prove he's still in the right. But when Hugh recognizes him as Locutus, his whole game changes, and it's a testament to the acting prowess of Patrick Stewart that I swear, I saw the twitch of genuine surprise coupled with a quick-thinking backup plan thought-up in his brain in that flash of a reaction. He decides to go along with it, and in so doing, develops the ingenious test we see: Hugh will be ordered by 'Locutus' and he'll have to defy him with every fiber of his allegedly-redeveloping individuality. And Picard lays it on thick, and it's only when Hugh refers himself in the first-person -- something which had been a topic of discussion between he and Geordi earlier on -- that Picard's charade is bested and he stands down in shock.

That final scene between Geordi and Hugh, as the Borg return for him on the world the Enterprise had discovered him on, is something of note as well. It's all low-key, but the lack of words speak wonders. It's Hugh's glance to Geordi as he's being beamed up to the Borg cube that really sells it, though. No words are necessary, nor even feasible, but that look is one of inarguable individuality.

This is a top-rate episode in the mind of yours truly, and I would recommend it to damn near anyone.
 
Can't say that I was a huge fan of this episode because of how blatant the "message" of the episode is. Consider this: Geordi is an engineer yet he's the one assigned to create the malicious program to sabotage Huge and the Borg? Isn't Data the computer programmer? Why didn't they have Data do it? Because there's no emotion to play on with Data. So, they shoe-horned Geordi into it. All for the sake of the "message".
 
I really like this eps, too. Especially for the character moments and scenes, really great stuff. However...

I don't care for the change in Crusher here. She's acting as one of Hugh's strongest advocates, arguing against genocide of the Borg. Okay, I can buy that. Except--
Back in BOBW, she was working on a plan to introduce destructive nanites to bring down the Borg Collective (it's one line, you gotta be quick to catch it).

So before, Crusher was working on nanites to wipe out the Borg.
Now, Crusher rallies against using another method to wipe out the Borg.
Why the change? (plot requirements, i guess)
 
Well, you both raise good points that do lower the overall quality of the episode a bit, I suppose.

Can't say that I was a huge fan of this episode because of how blatant the "message" of the episode is. Consider this: Geordi is an engineer yet he's the one assigned to create the malicious program to sabotage Huge and the Borg? Isn't Data the computer programmer? Why didn't they have Data do it? Because there's no emotion to play on with Data. So, they shoe-horned Geordi into it. All for the sake of the "message".

I can't really refute this, but I didn't find that string of scenes to be the sole bearer of the spotlight. Guinan's interactions with Hugh, which were quite naturally-done even if they did stem from an unlikely Geordi, were also quite important. Picard's confrontation with Hugh was the climax. This was all handled fairly well IMO.

I really like this eps, too. Especially for the character moments and scenes, really great stuff. However...

I don't care for the change in Crusher here. She's acting as one of Hugh's strongest advocates, arguing against genocide of the Borg. Okay, I can buy that. Except--
Back in BOBW, she was working on a plan to introduce destructive nanites to bring down the Borg Collective (it's one line, you gotta be quick to catch it).

So before, Crusher was working on nanites to wipe out the Borg.
Now, Crusher rallies against using another method to wipe out the Borg.
Why the change? (plot requirements, i guess)

Damn good observation. It could be argued that her 'do no harm' really kicked into high gear upon seeing an injured Borg drone, near death and mangled in a way that no previous encounter had provided her the experience with.

Of course, that might be delving into 'blatant excuses' territory, but yeah.
 
I would argue there's a moral difference between developing a weapon to fight an enemy, and using a sentient being as said weapon without that sentient being's consent.

It's the difference between bombing a military installation from an airplane and strapping a bomb to a baby and leaving it on the installation's doorstep. Both will kill lots of people ... one is less palatable for obvious reasons. Whether that's justifiable or not is something we could argue all day, but I get why Beverly would chafe at one but not the other.
 
Can't say that I was a huge fan of this episode because of how blatant the "message" of the episode is. Consider this: Geordi is an engineer yet he's the one assigned to create the malicious program to sabotage Huge and the Borg? Isn't Data the computer programmer? Why didn't they have Data do it? Because there's no emotion to play on with Data. So, they shoe-horned Geordi into it. All for the sake of the "message".

Not sure about this...The program had to be designed to work with the hardware, which Geordi was more than capable of analyzing. I don't think he was "shoehorned" into this assignment, and Data was involved anyway. It came off as quite natural...
 
Not for one moment, did I believe that actor was a Borg drone. Every time he spoke he just sounded like a kid from California reading lines.
 
Geordi is an engineer yet he's the one assigned to create the malicious program to sabotage Huge and the Borg? Isn't Data the computer programmer?

Engineering is computer programming in the 24th century. When LaForge sorts out a problem with the ship's engines, he doesn't wield a crescent wrench - he writes a subroutine or inputs new parameters to reroute the secondary feed.

Data doesn't appear to have any specific skill set, beyond being adept at multitasking and good at lifting heavy objects. Yes, he writes subroutines, too - as does Worf, in order to get more accuracy out of his guns.

I would argue there's a moral difference between developing a weapon to fight an enemy, and using a sentient being as said weapon without that sentient being's consent.

Another important issue would be whether the enemy poses a tangible threat. The Borg in "BoBW" were menacing; in "Descent", they fired at Crusher. In "I, Borg", Third of Five just sort of stood there, looking lost...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Not for one moment, did I believe that actor was a Borg drone. Every time he spoke he just sounded like a kid from California reading lines.

??? He was born in Uruguay and raised in New York! He was an East Coaster till he was 18!

I thought his performance was universally liked, so I think you have a unique point of view.
 
Don't want to hijack the thread but I have to say that of all the bad guys in ST the Borg are the ones who I really find believably scary and give me the creeps. The Klingons and the Romulans for instance are just pussycats by comparison. One thing that puzzles me is why they are referred to as a "race" when they are a conglomeration of different races; or was there an aboriginal Borg race to begin with? They are also considered to be evil when in fact as individuals they are all victims. Perhaps this is a topic for another thread if it has not already been covered elsewhere. :borg:
 
Excellent episode. Delves into the origins of prejudice. Wow, and it happens to the one guy you thought would never become prejudice. Four stars.
 
I'm of two minds about this episode. On one hand, it's a great story about overcoming prejudice and resisting the tendency to dehumanize your enemy. On the other hand, it's one more step in the transition from Maurice Hurley's concept of what the Borg were as stated in Q-Who to the rubber-suited, B-movie villains they became on VOY.

Taken solely on its own merits, though, it's an excellent episode that wonderfully embodies many of Star Trek's core principles.
 
Not for one moment, did I believe that actor was a Borg drone. Every time he spoke he just sounded like a kid from California reading lines.

??? He was born in Uruguay and raised in New York! He was an East Coaster till he was 18!

I thought his performance was universally liked, so I think you have a unique point of view.

I'm doubly amused at Forbin's reaction. Not only was he born in Uruguay and raised in New York, he was almost 30 at the time the episode was filmed!
 
I've hated this episode ever since it first aired. Always thought it was ridiculous that Picard & co. started having second thoughts about wiping out the Borg, since they'd been portrayed as nothing but Space Nazis Squared up until that point. The argument that the virus would've wiped out the Borg as a species was redundant since the Borg only existed to wipe out species.

I thought Guinan was absolutely right when she pointed out how idiotic it was to treat a Borg as an individual. The basic story could've worked with the Romulans or the Cardassians, but with the personality-free Borg, it was the sort of treacle that was TNG at its absolute worst. I've never understood why it ends up on so many Best-Of lists.
 
Not for one moment, did I believe that actor was a Borg drone. Every time he spoke he just sounded like a kid from California reading lines.

??? He was born in Uruguay and raised in New York! He was an East Coaster till he was 18!

I thought his performance was universally liked, so I think you have a unique point of view.

I'm doubly amused at Forbin's reaction. Not only was he born in Uruguay and raised in New York, he was almost 30 at the time the episode was filmed!

Still a horrible actor, IMO. I agree with Forbin.
 
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