Re: Fairly Simple Photomanipulation
The original thread was (rightly) closed, so I could not comment, and I have to address the above.
Whoa, hang on a second; you're also hijacking my art-work, the art-work I slave over (and also have slaved over for years to learn how to create), to realize my visions of how I see things, that I also then share with others for their possible enjoyment as well, and chopping (hacking) it up, destroying the context it was meant to be seen in by me (under my learned and practiced steam that I took the time and drive to learn and hone my skillz to do, mind you), altering it, and using it in your “collages,” as well?
I had no idea you were also using my art-work. One word: Unacceptable.
While all you say may be sadly true (although I could track you and come at you legally if I was so inclined), I have two words from my POV, my friend: Honor and (common) Courtesy.
I know this world has become a free-for-all in this day-and-information-age, with people thinking they have a right to anything for free online, just because they can get away with it, from music to movies to pictures/graphics just because it is available online, but that does not fly with me.
I am sO sick of peeps thinking JUST BECAUSE they can get away with something, that that's perfect justification and currency for doing so! No honor. Zero. Nada. Zilch. These are the same types that if they could walk into a store and be 100% sure they could get away with it, they'd put that CD in their coat-pocket and walk out with it, all righteous and self-satisfied to boot. Never-mind that they just stole from a place of business, but they also stole an artist's work. Yes work, as in that is what they do for their living. And I've heard the whole BS justification; Aw, they're mega-rich, they won't miss it. They're just fine. And I say to that; OK, fine, you're a middle-class self-entitled snot, why don't we just open the doors to your house and invite some homeless peeps to come in and take your iPod, your Blu-ray player, your HDTV, etc. then? After all, you're way-abundant in their eyes. It's all fraking relative. But some can't be bothered with that, no. Just because you CAN do something does not make it automatically OK-fine to do it. On a number of levels.
But like the old saying goes in regard to some things esp. philosophical or ethical; If you have to ask, chances are high you won't understand the answer. Or perhaps not want to be bothered to understand. Peeps want what they want, and other peeps between said desire be damned. That's how it gonna be, huh?
And ya know, if you had taken the small amount of time it would have taken to email or PM me to ask my permission, chances are I would have said; Sure, go ahead, just credit me. That's exactly what a senior flight surgeon from NASA just did earlier this week in regard to having found my work online and wanting to then use my art in one of his NASA presentations. He emailed me to ask my permission first. Wow, what a fraking concept! Yet, he had and understood honor and common courtesy. Something that seems to be going the way of the dinosaurs in this day-and-age of rampant self-entitlement and self-absorption.
And, instead of being like the space-doc and taking the small amount of time out to ask permission, you choose rather to even compound it all, and now take the time out (and the gall) to “Furthermore” and “Seriously” me, in regard to my artwork being pirated by you, or anyone. Wow.
I myself have used other artist's work from TOS Trek in my TOS.5 take, but I guarantee, if the artist(s) that had created the efx I used had not passed on already, I would have emailed them to ask permission, and honored whatever they decided on. As is, I gave them and the copyright holder credit (in my piece itself) by default, as I'm big on giving credit where credit is due.
You gots some odd ideas of things, IMO, bub. But I got better things to do with my time than try and teach life-lessons in regard to art, ethics and honor. And besides, the universe will take care of things, as what goes around comes around, so have it, eh. Your life. You wanna walk through it clueless, self-absorbed and without honor and as a hack (literally), using your energy to justify (to yourself) a way-less-than honorable act(s), just because you can, have at it. 'Nuff said, carry on, I've had me say, eh.
deg
It's nice, but nope, ethically (and legally I might add (been there, done that in regard to my art trying to be hijacked), as all art is automatically protected under an artist's intellectual property rights), even if credited, you cannot ever use another artist's work without their express permission to do so. If permission is granted, it is then up to said artist if they would like credit to be given to them or not.
Otherwise, it's pirating and plagiarizing of another artist's work. No wiggle room, mind you: Case closed.
deg3D, the shuttle's yours, from one of your TOS.5 images.
I didn't have your permission to cut it out, remove all traces of the original context, flip it, rotate it, scale it to tiny, nor essentially make it utterly unrecognizable.
This being the case, do you insist that I remove the shuttle from the picture?
I can tell you that I had no malice aforethought. It was suggested that I insert a shuttlecraft, so I Googled for images. Yours came up, and happened to be the right angle to look like the shuttle was going away from the scene. The lighting was reasonable for the existing light angle, which was my primary concern.
Furthermore, intellectual property arguments aside, I'm curious how someone can be forced to stop using artwork that was publicly published on the Web?
Seriously, the bottom line is that when you publish something publicly to millions of individuals, there is absolutely no way to stop those individuals from re-using your art. It's simply a given of the medium that others may well do what I did.
I'm sorry, but it's true. No one can stop me from doing it, period. You might want to stop me, but you can't. The reality of what's called "intellectual property" completely falls apart when anyone can download anything from anywhere.
Furthermore, to argue that I shouldn't be allowed to do it is to argue in favor of a 100% police state. After all, 24x7x365 monitoring and enforcement is the only way to make sure I don't whip out the Gimp and start amusing myself late at night ...
The only way to keep people from not re-using your art, purely on a practical level, is quite simple: never, ever publish it. Don't let anyone ever see it. Who knows if they might, say, sketch it from memory -- thereby stealing your art?
Also, from the philosophical perspective, I'm unclear about something: aside from doing it digitally, how is what I've done here any different than making a collage?
Are you suggesting that students are stealing art whenever they do a collage for school?
Or is the objection that considerably more people will see my digital collage than might see it if I were a 4th-grader? Again, keeping in mind that I did it as a lark in my free time and am in no way charging anyone to see it.
Dakota Smith
The original thread was (rightly) closed, so I could not comment, and I have to address the above.
Whoa, hang on a second; you're also hijacking my art-work, the art-work I slave over (and also have slaved over for years to learn how to create), to realize my visions of how I see things, that I also then share with others for their possible enjoyment as well, and chopping (hacking) it up, destroying the context it was meant to be seen in by me (under my learned and practiced steam that I took the time and drive to learn and hone my skillz to do, mind you), altering it, and using it in your “collages,” as well?
I had no idea you were also using my art-work. One word: Unacceptable.
While all you say may be sadly true (although I could track you and come at you legally if I was so inclined), I have two words from my POV, my friend: Honor and (common) Courtesy.
I know this world has become a free-for-all in this day-and-information-age, with people thinking they have a right to anything for free online, just because they can get away with it, from music to movies to pictures/graphics just because it is available online, but that does not fly with me.
I am sO sick of peeps thinking JUST BECAUSE they can get away with something, that that's perfect justification and currency for doing so! No honor. Zero. Nada. Zilch. These are the same types that if they could walk into a store and be 100% sure they could get away with it, they'd put that CD in their coat-pocket and walk out with it, all righteous and self-satisfied to boot. Never-mind that they just stole from a place of business, but they also stole an artist's work. Yes work, as in that is what they do for their living. And I've heard the whole BS justification; Aw, they're mega-rich, they won't miss it. They're just fine. And I say to that; OK, fine, you're a middle-class self-entitled snot, why don't we just open the doors to your house and invite some homeless peeps to come in and take your iPod, your Blu-ray player, your HDTV, etc. then? After all, you're way-abundant in their eyes. It's all fraking relative. But some can't be bothered with that, no. Just because you CAN do something does not make it automatically OK-fine to do it. On a number of levels.
But like the old saying goes in regard to some things esp. philosophical or ethical; If you have to ask, chances are high you won't understand the answer. Or perhaps not want to be bothered to understand. Peeps want what they want, and other peeps between said desire be damned. That's how it gonna be, huh?
And ya know, if you had taken the small amount of time it would have taken to email or PM me to ask my permission, chances are I would have said; Sure, go ahead, just credit me. That's exactly what a senior flight surgeon from NASA just did earlier this week in regard to having found my work online and wanting to then use my art in one of his NASA presentations. He emailed me to ask my permission first. Wow, what a fraking concept! Yet, he had and understood honor and common courtesy. Something that seems to be going the way of the dinosaurs in this day-and-age of rampant self-entitlement and self-absorption.
And, instead of being like the space-doc and taking the small amount of time out to ask permission, you choose rather to even compound it all, and now take the time out (and the gall) to “Furthermore” and “Seriously” me, in regard to my artwork being pirated by you, or anyone. Wow.
I myself have used other artist's work from TOS Trek in my TOS.5 take, but I guarantee, if the artist(s) that had created the efx I used had not passed on already, I would have emailed them to ask permission, and honored whatever they decided on. As is, I gave them and the copyright holder credit (in my piece itself) by default, as I'm big on giving credit where credit is due.
You gots some odd ideas of things, IMO, bub. But I got better things to do with my time than try and teach life-lessons in regard to art, ethics and honor. And besides, the universe will take care of things, as what goes around comes around, so have it, eh. Your life. You wanna walk through it clueless, self-absorbed and without honor and as a hack (literally), using your energy to justify (to yourself) a way-less-than honorable act(s), just because you can, have at it. 'Nuff said, carry on, I've had me say, eh.
deg
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