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Fox to Fringe fans: 'We have no intention of screwing with the show'"

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And they can enjoy a myth episode just as well as a standalone given the recaps at the beginning.

Clearly that's not the case, because many casual viewers of many shows have found it difficult to get into heavily myth-driven shows. That is not my opinion, it is a documented reality. I am not endorsing it, I am merely reporting that it is known to be the case. And it won't cease to be the case just because a poster on the Internet doesn't want to believe it's the case.


I think it is far more complicated than assigning blame to serialization.

I'm not "assigning blame" to anything! Why do people online insist on treating every discussion as a matter of blame or fault or condemnation or something hostile and ad hominem like that? Why can't we simply have an objective discussion about the facts without reacting to it as if it were some kind of melodramatic confrontation?

I'm not "blaming" serialization. Personally I have no problem with serialization per se. What I am doing is describing a known phenomenon, which is that not every viewer reacts the same way to serialization. Some people like it, some people don't. That's all I'm saying: that the audience is diverse and you can't assume they all hold a single attitude.

So I'm not reducing this to some dumbed-down blame game, saying that one single factor is the evil behind everything. I'm saying just the opposite -- that it's a mistake to try to reduce this to some simple, singular formula that you can assume is true about the entire audience. This isn't a right-or-wrong argument. There are diverse opinions and views within the audience. A poster on a BBS has the luxury of clinging to the self-delusion that every viewer on the planet will think or react the way the poster would want them to, but a network executive has an obligation to be aware of all the diverse reactions that exist within the viewing audience, to take them all into account regardless of personal preference.


Heroes when it first debuted was doing astronomical numbers and it was heavily serialized. It lost viewers because the writing got bad.

Yes, yes, yes -- I AM NOT SAYING THAT SERIALIZATION IS BAD!!!!!!! I am not making such a ridiculously dumbed-down, black-and-white argument. I am saying that life is more complex than that, that you can't pick out some single factor and say it's always good or always bad. There are many factors that have to be taken into account.

Serialization is challenging. It requires a major investment of attention and time from the viewer. And that means that in order for a serialized show to work, it needs to be able to catch and hold the audience's attention. The serialized shows that work the best are those that are exceptionally strong in other ways, able to make the audience want to invest that time and attention. So yes, an exceptionally good show can work even if it's highly serialized. BUT -- if something is challenging, that means it isn't easy to get people to want to commit to it. If a show isn't exceptional enough to overcome that resistance to commitment, then audiences will not react as positively to its serialized nature. They won't be as motivated to commit that required level of attention to the show. (Or rather, some will but many others will not, because, of course, the audience is not monolithic.) So in that context, a heavy level of serialization will be more likely to alienate viewers, and an approach that's more episodic can be more effective.

Do you see why it can't be reduced to anything as simplistic as arguing that serialization is either good, period, or bad, period? Serialization is just one factor involved in the impact of a show, one out of many that all have to be weighed against each other. Serialization in combination with high quality, a strongly charismatic cast, or other factors that promote serious audience involvement can work well. But serialization in a different context can work against a show because it's more challenging to the audience than the audience for that show is willing to accept. You have to consider the whole equation for each individual show, not just make some blanket generalization about a single factor.
 
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Re: Fox to Fringe fans: 'We have no intention of screwing with the sho

Apparently the official name for the parallel-universe Olivia is "Alt-livia." Which is disappointing, since I was pushing for "Otherlivia."
 
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Despite comments to the contrary, I LIKE the stand-alones and loved White Tulip. Fringe is doing its best to dance the same line Xfiles did, a myth with individual episodes. We'll have to see how well they handle it this season. As for the person who thinks the characters are "uninteresting", you obviously haven't been paying attention to Walter.
 
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Fringe is doing its best to dance the same line Xfiles did, a myth with individual episodes.
I loved The X-Files standalones(well up until about S5/6 then they went downhill for the most part)--standalones comprised the bulk of that series. But I didn't mind that because those episodic offerings were well written, had an interesting supernatural/sci-fi element to it that seemed fresh, and great character scenes involving Mulder & Scully--they were so entertaining that I honestly didn't mind that the mythology was set aside for mostly Nov/Feb sweeps 2 parters and season finales because the episodic stuff was just as satisfying as the myth episodes.

The problem *I* am having with FRINGE--I am not trying to say this is the case for everybody--is that their standalone offerings have generally been pretty mediocre taken on their own as a self-contained story--not even comparing it to the myth stuff. But when you watch a FRINGE standalone and then the following week a FRINGE myth episode I simply can't avoid the glaring difference in quality.

Compare standalones or mostly standalones like "Night of Desirable Objects", "Earthling", "Dream Logic", "Brown Betty", "Northwest Passage", "Snakehead", "Fracture" to "Inner Child", "Theres More Than One of Everything", "In Which We Meet Mr. Jones", "Grey Matters", "August", "Safe", "Bound" etc--can you honestly say the standalones are more exciting and entertaining. Those standalones are formulaic and I struggle to keep watching them. With the myth episodes I find myself completely fixated on everything unfolding onscreen and frustrated to have to wait to see what happens next. Why should I not be vocal in expecting this kind of quality on a more consistent basis than accepting mediocrity and the occasionally good episode? And if the writers seem to shine with myth stories why not write to their strengths? Otherwise it has contributed to a very uneven 2 seasons.

The other problem I have with FRINGE standalones is that they do try to be too much like The X-Files. Several standalones remind me of much better TXF episodes--they offer nothing new to longtime viewers of sff.

I have considered the possibility that maybe I've just become too jaded--and I'm sure that plays a small part--after being spoiled by shows like LOST but I also just think the writing just isn't as good and I'd have the same opinion on the FRINGE standalones if I had never seen sff stuff before or ever watched a show like LOST.
As for the person who thinks the characters are "uninteresting", you obviously haven't been paying attention to Walter.
I'm sorry but one interesting character surrounded by mostly bland ones doesn't make a great show. And Walter frankly, in my opinion, didn't really become that complex or interesting until the last half of this season. Before that I found him to be more of a caricature with all of his antics but the last part of this season I thought the writers did a really good job finally getting a hold on how to write him--he truly flourished.
 
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The single best episode was the one where we actually saw Walter go to the other side and steal the other universe Peter.

The thing is, the only way that episode advanced the "mytharc" was by showing how Nina Sharp lost her arm. I don't anyone was a bit interested in the question, though.

Other serial elements like the Pattern and ZFT and Mr. Jones have gone by the wayside, to no one's great regret. The false impression that the season two finale was great partly rests on the hope that Tat-Olivia will be more interesting. Isn't it odd that untattooed Olivia, despite being the queen of the Cortexifan Kids, hasn't been made interesting by that mytharc?

What Fringe has is one good character, Walter Bishop in wreck of a mad genius mode, who has one good story, his desperate search for reconciliation with his son, and redemption of his image in his son's eyes. Fringe has never been very good when it did any other kind of story. Even Walter gets dull when his mental disabilities disappear so that he can work a plot miracle.

I think Fringe is the purest current example of the real appeal of open ended serialization, which is the trials of favorite characters. The characters can end up experiencing the same epiphany or repeatedly reconciling, or get rewritten into someone else (usually called character development:)) and then revert to normal. But as long as something happens to the faves, plot logic, thematic consistency, normal human personalities, none of it matters. It's not the richer storytelling, which is actually rather more impoverished because it's open-ended.
 
Re: Fox to Fringe fans: 'We have no intention of screwing with the sho

The actress who plays Astrid says the episodes will alternate between universes for the first half of season three and converge in one big storyline.
 
Re: Fox to Fringe fans: 'We have no intention of screwing with the sho

The actress who plays Astrid says the episodes will alternate between universes for the first half of season three and converge in one big storyline.
I like when shows play around with their storytelling format--this sounds like a rather inventive way to parallel both stories.
 
Re: Fox to Fringe fans: 'We have no intention of screwing with the sho

Alternating episodes probably also means Joshua Jackson gets to take every other week off.
 
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