Not everybody in this world lives by your unrealistically high moral standards.
Woman Kickboxer Dies After Tournament Knockout.
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Not everybody in this world lives by your unrealistically high moral standards.
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Amaris
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I wouldn't define compassion for a young woman who died tragically as "unrealistically high moral standards". It would qualify more as "basic human compassion".
Basic human compassion means I'm not glad she's dead. I simply place no higher value upon her life than I do that of anyone else no matter how much you or Angela try to tug on my heartstrings.
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Jetfire
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Not really I just don't see the point in this day and age why people crave this type of entertainment and why anyone would need to prove themselves to this extreme...when it could be done with out real blood...the tears and sweat may be there.
I am wrong, so be it.
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Amaris
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Certainly you do. You stated that she knew the risks, and so it wasn't sad that she died. You then stated that she didn't do anything along the lines of a Police officer or Firefighter, which apparently would be sad, which means you do place higher value on their lives, and less on hers.
Eh, some people don't really give a fuck, which is fine. He doesn't know her personally, wasn't affected by it in a direct way, etc. I think it's sad, but that's just who I am. If we stopped to feel for every person that died, it would overwhelm us. You can't change people, J., but maybe that's okay.
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Amaris
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I understand what you mean. I guess I was just a bit surprised at that kind of reaction. You're right that I can't change people, and I wouldn't try to change Hermiod, it was just surprise, tis all.
You brought people who voluntarily risk their lives to help others in to it, not me.
I do not place higher value on her life than all of the other people who died yesterday, this week, this month or this year just because you tell me to or just because Angela decided to pick her to start one of her threads about.
Well you mention basic human compassion, but I think you set your standards a bit off. I think you and I are similar in that way. We have almost an overabundance of compassion so our idea of what's normal in that regard is probably way off the mark.
I'm shocked and disappointed by what appears to be lack of compassion or empathy in many posts on the board, but I really do think our standards are skewed sometimes.
I'm shocked and disappointed by what appears to be lack of compassion or empathy in many posts on the board, but I really do think our standards are skewed sometimes.
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Amaris
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You may be right. Ah, who am I kidding, I know you're right. Like you, I just can't help it. Every day I become a bit more dismayed at the lack of empathy between some people, even as I am often heartened by strong, emotional ties between others. I think we love it when people love each other.
I don't mean to change the subject, such as it is, but I feel the need to complain about the head gear in boxing, kickboxing, and similar sports. It protects against bruises to the outside of the head, caused by simple impact, but doesn't do nearly enough to protect against bruises to the brain cause by rotational accelerations.
Basically, the way people are killed by these blows is that the skull is violently rotated, causing it to slam against the brain, or if you prefer, the brain is sloshed around inside the cranium by cranial rotation. That causes internal hemoraging, stroke, and death.
There are age-old fixes to this problem, such as the way medieval jousting helmets were firmly bolted to a knight's chest plate, preventing rapid rotations in any plane, or the neck supports used by NFL linebackers to transfer loads directly from the helmet to the shoulders, bypassing their massive necks as 'not thick enough'.
An additional benefit of locking the head to the chest is a reduction in long-term, cumulative brain injury.
Sure, it would reduce the participants' freedom of head movement, but we can move our eyes in our sockets and could even compensate by surrounding the head gear in a crown of iPhones that bluetooth video data to the boxer's eyes.
In any event, I would assume that women are more likely than men to die in kickboxing since they have very good leg strength, greater flexibility for delivering head kicks, and less muscular necks (I doubt that even wildly athletic women want to look like a 'neckless' linebacker).
Basically, the way people are killed by these blows is that the skull is violently rotated, causing it to slam against the brain, or if you prefer, the brain is sloshed around inside the cranium by cranial rotation. That causes internal hemoraging, stroke, and death.
There are age-old fixes to this problem, such as the way medieval jousting helmets were firmly bolted to a knight's chest plate, preventing rapid rotations in any plane, or the neck supports used by NFL linebackers to transfer loads directly from the helmet to the shoulders, bypassing their massive necks as 'not thick enough'.
An additional benefit of locking the head to the chest is a reduction in long-term, cumulative brain injury.
Sure, it would reduce the participants' freedom of head movement, but we can move our eyes in our sockets and could even compensate by surrounding the head gear in a crown of iPhones that bluetooth video data to the boxer's eyes.
In any event, I would assume that women are more likely than men to die in kickboxing since they have very good leg strength, greater flexibility for delivering head kicks, and less muscular necks (I doubt that even wildly athletic women want to look like a 'neckless' linebacker).
Well yes, but these kind of things are usually the result of repetitive head strikes over a long period of time. More than likely the bulk of the damage had been done before she stepped into the ring for this last fight. Head gear will reduce the potential for concussions, but will never stop them completely.
Real shame that.
Rii
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Our biologically limited capacity for compassion is responsible for most of the evils in this world, both positive (e.g. war) and negative (e.g. apathy for the suffering of others). It's certainly something that I would change about humanity if I could; and who knows what possibilities the future will offer? More hubristic than the notion that one can improve the species is the notion that it cannot or should not be improved.
/goes back to Bioshock 2.
It is tragic and it is sad but it's hardly worth all this fuss to people who don't know her, never knew her, and likely would never have known of her had she not died. So her death is the only thing of note about her? That's what a article like this is stating.
She was not of note to anyone who didn't know her or was not involved in kick-boxing. It's not cold, it's not callous, it's a simple fact but people dress up the reality as something more.
She chose to do this, there was a tragic accident and yes, there needs to be more protection and precautions in sports but part of what attracts people to sports is the danger of injury aspect. As sports are now your risk of serious injury or death is pretty low but the risk is there and on rare occasions someone is unlucky enough to actually be seriously injured or killed.
Take it away and you'll have people bemoaning it as too safe and find something else to do, probably more risky and less regulated. That's were underground and illegal fighting or sports come into play.
She was not of note to anyone who didn't know her or was not involved in kick-boxing. It's not cold, it's not callous, it's a simple fact but people dress up the reality as something more.
She chose to do this, there was a tragic accident and yes, there needs to be more protection and precautions in sports but part of what attracts people to sports is the danger of injury aspect. As sports are now your risk of serious injury or death is pretty low but the risk is there and on rare occasions someone is unlucky enough to actually be seriously injured or killed.
Take it away and you'll have people bemoaning it as too safe and find something else to do, probably more risky and less regulated. That's were underground and illegal fighting or sports come into play.
Angela 0077
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I would like to post happy acticles to some exstent too but there is not much in that area yet to show everyone.
plus l am not sure if certain things l put on this site would be excepted or posted too.
But l do get your point.
I will keep a look out and put a mixture of things on the board if l can find anything exciting.
Again, with a competent referee the risk is minimal. Nobody ever died in a UFC ring.
I'm sorry, but I'd prefer it if you tried actually discussing the stories you post instead of moving straight on to the next puff piece about some woman who has hundreds of cats.
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Jetfire
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This is what I don't get...the ref in this event needs to be held accountable.
I'm sure everyone will give your preferences all the consideration they deserve.
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