Which thing annoyed you the most on Enterprise?
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newtype alpha, all these thing have happen before ... and they will happen again!
Mishandling of Canon
Instead of mangling the established back story, TPTB could have added on to the unestablished "side story." Example, the augments, there was no reason to tie them to Khan and the selectively breed supermen from Space Seed. It would have worked just fine as a stand alone story, without the connection. Selective Breeding and Genetic Engineering aren't the same thing.
Technology was too similar to the 24th Century
Part of the problem here was when the series was placed. If it had been set 35 or 40 years after Cockrane's first warp flights, around the year 2100, the technology could have been beyond what we have today, while still being more "primitive."
I like what TPTB did with the Andorians and the Vulcans, but they went to the well too often when it came to previously created alien species. We didn't just get the Andorians and the Vulcans, we got (sigh) Klingons and Romulans and Ferengi and Orions and Borg, etc. The Suliban showed they could create a new people, so why not consistently?
I voted for this too and agree with Admiral Shran 100%. I thought 7 of 9 was sexier in the starfleet uniform in "Relativity" than in the catsuit.
The problem with the Xindi is too many unanswered questions and poor execution. The Xindi want to destroy the humans before they can destroy the Xindi homeworld but it is already destroyed??? With the Temporal War over was the Expanse ever created and the Xindi homeworld never destroyed when time corrected itself at the end of stormfront? But then again everyone remembered the attack on Earth. All the more reason for a Direct to DVD story to tie up the loose ends
Trip/T'Pol relationship. Other things annoyed me occasionally, but I thought (and still think) it was the very worst relationship ever shown on television.
lol... agreed, I posted a similar response in another thread in this section just a couple of minutes ago touching on this aspect (seeming to be a bit on the unbelievable side of clueless'ness.)
I also hated the aimlessness of the first two seasons. Archer was pretty given a ship and told "explore" and the rest was entirely up to him. Problem: Spaceships cost a fortune, and Enterprise was 30 years in the making. You would have the mission (Earth's first, remember) planned out years in advance. It would never be "Oh, that's a nice looking quasar, let's take a look" it would be "follow the path the geniuses back home planned out years ago to give the best chance of contacting inhabited, technologically advanced worlds". Their missions should have been along the lines of "We've learned about a spieces called Andorians, and we know their from somewhere in that direction. Our space telescopes have spotted four class-M worlds within that area, so it's likely they have an outpost of their homeworld there. Find them and make contact". Instead Archer mindlessly blundered into everyone from Andorians to Ferengi to Tellarites to Romulans without a clue.
IIRC, the whole idea of exploration is to go find people, places and resources that haven't been found yet. If you want to meet the Andorians, why not just ask for an introduction? If the Vulcans can't arrange it because of the bad blood between them, ask them to arrange for an intermediary.
Then you won't be wasting resources "exploring" four M-class planets looking for people whose location should be in the Vulcan database.
You've covered everything I would have, if I had sat down and thought about it for a half-hour instead of cheating and just reading your post. (You did a better job than I would have of making it all interesting/readable, too.) Now I have a free half-hour, so thanks. %>) (<--attempted alien smiley-face emoticon.)
JiNX-01 said:
You're missing my point. I used Andorians only as the first aliens that came to mind from Enterprise, and how I think the missions of the show should have been structured.
The whole "Vulcan database" thing was a bad idea, IMO. "Where no man has gone before!" was actually "Where Vulcans have gone before!" - doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it? The "pioneering" Trek show about the "first" starship was retreading explored ground!
How exactly? My complaint is that the show lacked direction and the NX-01's mission lacked structure (until season 3). They blundered into aliens randomly, in Vulcan space. Tell me what I'm not getting.
The term "No Man" was originally intended for "Where no Human has gone before"..... thus the term "no man has gone before" applies to the NX-01 adventures, since even if the Vulcans charted much of what they're covering, or even if it was the klingons or the Pakleds.... Humans have not gone to these places, thus everywhere they go everything is new..... in fact in a couple of episodes, they went back to certain things the Vulcans visited and studied and ended up either collecting more information then the vulcans did, or they completely corrected information the Vulcans got wrong.
I'm sure all these various aliens they encountered randomly, have much of the area charted themselves..... because of this, should humans just stop and turn back?
That's like reading a tourism guidebook for Brazil, written by those who visited the place, and then tossing away the guidebook and never visiting because other people visited before you..... and you read their reports... so what else is there to do?
Reading about something or reviewing someone else's experiences is one thing..... actually doing it yourself and making reports from you to those that relate to you (ie: report by a human, made for humans, rather then sticking to vulcan reports made for vulcans) is something else.
IMO: having the star chart from the Vulcans was a wise idea to have in the show.... it shows that they didn't blindly head out to the unknown and face total doom.... but they had a general idea of what was out there before they headed out and these charts probably helped them from aimlessly venturing into Klingon space on a number of occasions.
And as they explained a number of times in the episodes.... those Vulcan star charts were not the best thing to rely on when it came to information, considering Vulcans didn't delve into too much detail.
My biggest problem was the storylines that remained unexplained. The TCW went nowhere, and we never found out who Future Guy was.
I realise that some storylines, like Mirror Empress Hoshi, and the Romulan collaborators on Vulcan, weren't the writers fault, because the show got cut short after four seasons. But it was frustrating how they wasted so much time with fluff episodes of the week in seasons one and two, instead of getting down to the universe building. If season three was season one, and four was season two, it would have been a lot better. More time to wrap up the unresolved stories that way.
I realise that some storylines, like Mirror Empress Hoshi, and the Romulan collaborators on Vulcan, weren't the writers fault, because the show got cut short after four seasons. But it was frustrating how they wasted so much time with fluff episodes of the week in seasons one and two, instead of getting down to the universe building. If season three was season one, and four was season two, it would have been a lot better. More time to wrap up the unresolved stories that way.
That's exactly what my wife said the first time she saw them. They were pretty much just generic evil lizards from space. It would have been more interesting to make the reptilian and insectoid Xindi the most reasonable ones, just to play against the stereotype.
Then again, I thought that destroying the spheres should have also destroyed the Xindi, so that humans ended up killing the Xindi, even though they didn't mean to. That might have been a bit too dark, though. For a self-contained novel (not in the Trek-verse) that might be a good resolution, but we couldn't have a continuing show about the adventures of a ship whose crew's committed species-cide, albeit inadvertently.
I really did not care how they portrayed Vulcans. Too emotional
I think when the 1960's writers came up with the idea of Spock and the Vulcans, they thought having an alien character with no emotions would be interesting. However, I think when they started writing lines for Spock, they realized how difficult this could be, even with a top notch actor like Leonard Nimoy playing the role. They had to back peddle a bit and make him 1/2 human so that they can expand his role.
The Vulcans on Enterprise are scheming, self righteous, xenophobic and uppity aliens. Why were they written like that?
Why wasn't Linda Park in a catsuit too?
The decompression rubs. WTF?
The Suliban idiots, "Mystery Guy". I thought the Temporal Cold War idea was interesting, however, the writers couldn't find an ending to the story, the rating were diving, which brought on the Xindi story.
The Xindi Arc lost me completely, and thus my interest in the show.
I think when the 1960's writers came up with the idea of Spock and the Vulcans, they thought having an alien character with no emotions would be interesting. However, I think when they started writing lines for Spock, they realized how difficult this could be, even with a top notch actor like Leonard Nimoy playing the role. They had to back peddle a bit and make him 1/2 human so that they can expand his role.
The Vulcans on Enterprise are scheming, self righteous, xenophobic and uppity aliens. Why were they written like that?
Why wasn't Linda Park in a catsuit too?
The decompression rubs. WTF?
The Suliban idiots, "Mystery Guy". I thought the Temporal Cold War idea was interesting, however, the writers couldn't find an ending to the story, the rating were diving, which brought on the Xindi story.
The Xindi Arc lost me completely, and thus my interest in the show.
In the first couple of seasons I would have enjoyed seeing more starfleet vessels.
Maybe some rogue starfleet captain that decided to set himself up as a ruler on a planet. On TOS we saw plenty of Earth rip off planets, maybe seeing one or two of them created would be interesting.
Maybe a Warp 2 ship that is lost and falling apart.
The first starbase.
I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could have done with more Starfleet
Maybe some rogue starfleet captain that decided to set himself up as a ruler on a planet. On TOS we saw plenty of Earth rip off planets, maybe seeing one or two of them created would be interesting.
Maybe a Warp 2 ship that is lost and falling apart.
The first starbase.
I'm sure there are plenty of stories they could have done with more Starfleet
Well I think I can explain that....
In the other ST series, everybody's usually teleported to one place or another which also scans and clears out any contaminants or foreign things..... going around in shuttles all the time doesn't scan/clean you like the transporters of the future, so they have to go into this little room, strip to their underwear, rub each other in a sexual nature and sit there for a couple of hours while they're blasted by whatever the heck cleans them and gives them jollys at the same time.
I'm not really interested in going through the entire thread to see if this has been posted but...
T'Pol was hella emotional. In fact, all Vulcans were. Instead of coming off as logical and emotionally reserved, they came off as arrogant and annoyed. All the time. Especially T'Pol, who would have emotional outbursts in virtually every episode. That's really the only thing that annoyed me.
T'Pol was hella emotional. In fact, all Vulcans were. Instead of coming off as logical and emotionally reserved, they came off as arrogant and annoyed. All the time. Especially T'Pol, who would have emotional outbursts in virtually every episode. That's really the only thing that annoyed me.
I think that the Vulcans are very emotional, but it is supressed. Much like a drinker who wants to be sober, but still indulges in drink because sometimes this is how they cope in certain situations.
Logic works until it doesn't. After it doesn't the Vulcan has nowhere to turn. They rely on emotions that they have supressed, much like the drunk who doesn't want to drink. But unlike the drunk, sometimes succumbing to emotions is a good thing.
There is nothing with a bridge Vulcan to say in an emphatic voice, "There are three Romulan ships with weapons powered up and ready to kill." The Vulcan does not want to die. To be on a human ship requires them to revert to these emotions. Emotions that their culture say is bad.
One episode of Enterprise when they discovered a huge comet, but a Vulcan ship was there too. Archer takes offense at this spying, but tries to make amends and be friendly with the captain. The Captain was great however. "No, you cannot see out specs. it's classified." "No, I do not care about humans." "no, we are not spying on you. If we really were, we would not be here." The writers violated the character when he cursed them in front of T'Pol after Archer left. He should of just said "Humans" rolled his eyes up and left. Maybe that's what he said. But I think not.
It was really an out loud funny episode in Enterprise. I have met a lot of human beings including bosses who were just like that. I had an interview for a job I wanted that could have been conducted by this Vulcan Captain. He wasn't a bad dude, I got the job, he was just a no bull-$#!t kind of guy.
Logic works until it doesn't. After it doesn't the Vulcan has nowhere to turn. They rely on emotions that they have supressed, much like the drunk who doesn't want to drink. But unlike the drunk, sometimes succumbing to emotions is a good thing.
There is nothing with a bridge Vulcan to say in an emphatic voice, "There are three Romulan ships with weapons powered up and ready to kill." The Vulcan does not want to die. To be on a human ship requires them to revert to these emotions. Emotions that their culture say is bad.
One episode of Enterprise when they discovered a huge comet, but a Vulcan ship was there too. Archer takes offense at this spying, but tries to make amends and be friendly with the captain. The Captain was great however. "No, you cannot see out specs. it's classified." "No, I do not care about humans." "no, we are not spying on you. If we really were, we would not be here." The writers violated the character when he cursed them in front of T'Pol after Archer left. He should of just said "Humans" rolled his eyes up and left. Maybe that's what he said. But I think not.
It was really an out loud funny episode in Enterprise. I have met a lot of human beings including bosses who were just like that. I had an interview for a job I wanted that could have been conducted by this Vulcan Captain. He wasn't a bad dude, I got the job, he was just a no bull-$#!t kind of guy.
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