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Where does the time go?

Can't link to an opinion dude. Unless you want a direct link to my brain. And I don't think you wanna go in there. You might not make it out with your sanity intact.:D

And since your opinion means nothing, then saying "The script simply wasn't "proof read" before it was shot" means nothing.

Exactly.

Glad you agree. That means that any opinions you may have don't mean anything either. Just sayin'.
 
All this work if Padme, Kenobi and then the Emperor all leave Coruscant before Anakin even arrives on Mustafar.

That's not possible. The Emperor is still on Coruscant conversing with Anakin when he reports his slaughter of the Separatist leaders.
 
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Glad you agree. That means that any opinions you may have don't mean anything either. Just sayin'.

I don't give mine very often. Just sayin'

Whu?!?!:wtf:

Almost every single one of your posts is an opinion! So they don't mean anything!:guffaw:

^ Guys, get a room, OK? Let's get the thread back on topic.
Oopsies. Missed that one.

Anyway, honestly, I gave up trying to figure out the timeframes in this movie. The editing is so screwed up there's no real way to tell how long it takes anything to happen. And like I said before, it just seems like the script wasn't properly reviewed prior to final editing. The timeframes don't synch up well. Everything seems to happen way too fast.
 
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Anyway, honestly, I gave up trying to figure out the timeframes in this movie. The editing is so screwed up there's no real way to tell how long it takes anything to happen.

It isn't, as evidenced by the fact that 99% of everyone got it just fine. And before you say it, no it isn't by the "drooling immature masses blah blah blah."

And like I said before, it just seems like the script wasn't properly reviewed prior to final editing. The timeframes don't synch up well. Everything seems to happen way too fast.

That doesn't mean anything.
 
Maybe not so everything seems to happen way too fast, let's figure this out. In two hours:

Spock arrives from future
Nero captures Spock
Nero travel from a Neutral Zone to Delta Vega
Nero maroons Spock on Delta Vega
Nero travel from Delta Vega to Vulcan
Nero begins to drill into Vulcan
Vulcan experience seismic activity
Vulcan High Command sends a distress signal to Starfleet
Starfleet decides to respond
Fleet travels to Vulcan

Okay, what doesn't have to happen after 2200 hrs?

Spock says Nero captured him and Nero beamed him down to Delta Vega, Nero could have done both of these things using a Starship other than the Narada. The Narada was large enough to carry a full size starship as a auxiliary craft. When Nero captures Spock, the Narada could have already been at Vulcan, drilling before 2200 hrs.

Nero could have beamed down Spock well after Vulcan sent their distress signal, and Nero might himself have arrived back aboard the Narada only shortly before the fleet arrived from Earth.

Under this theory, the Narada doesn't have to travel from the NZ to Vulcan in only several minutes. It only has to travel from the site of destruction of the Klingon ships to Vulcan in less than 23 hours.

If the Narada were to have arrived at Vulcan well before 2200 hrs, there would have been plenty of time to deal with any Vulcan defense forces, deploy the drill and have Vulcan experience seismic activity well before 2200 hrs. The Vulcan High Command might have dithered (in a logical way) for a considerable period of time, the Narada's drill would have interfered with their communications and planetary sensors. Eventually, they sent a distress signal to Earth. Which Starfleet received "soon after" 2200 hrs.

So now "soon after 2200 hrs" can be just a couple of minutes. This gives Starfleet far more time to decide upon a course of action, deploy their personnel and for the fleet to travel to Vulcan before the end of the day.

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Note that Vulcan would have had a very clear idea of what was happening from the get-go, because the drilling beam was visible from one of their major cities. An ambiguous call would not be sent out, then. A very hasty and ambiguous report on seismic activity might be sent during the first few minutes or seconds of Nero's drill attack, but not after that. Beyond that point, there could only be silence (if Nero's jamming were fully effective) or a detailed and concise SOS describing the drill beam (if the Vulcans managed to pierce the jamming).

We may question whether the Vulcans ever sent any messages, of course. Nero already had most of Starfleet where he wanted them - perhaps the fight with the Klingons had been all about luring the Fleet to Laurentius? He now wanted the rest of the ships destroyed, because clearly they were capable of damaging the drill. What better way to do that than invite them to Vulcan under certain carefully crafted misconceptions? Nero might have been the one sending the message and luring in the remaining ships in the neighborhood (the ones from Earth plus the Mayflower plus possibly some others as well).

Timo Saloniemi
 
...Ah, I withdraw one of my claims. The beam wasn't necessarily visible from one of Vulcan's major cities. All we know is that it was visible from the residence of Amanda née Grayson, which may have been located far away from major cities and possibly far away from all Vulcan habitation, which may be almost exclusively city-dwelling on the infertile world. Combined with a bit of jamming and a merciless elimination of witnesses, this might be enough to hide the true nature of the threat from Vulcan leadership.

OTOH, we witness Amanda walking out onto the balcony and taking a look at the beam well after Chekov informs the shipboard heroes that seismic activity was reported, and even longer after the fleet was launched (supposedly but not necessarily based on that report of seismic activity). It would be more or less inconceivable for Amanda to have arrived in her residence from elsewhere on the planet and be taken by surprise by the local scenery, since transporters on the planet are down. I guess it's a bit more likely that she just woke up from a nap, but not by much.

So it appears that the drilling only started long after the seismic activity did. That's in favor of the theory that the tremors come from black hole travel, not from drilling.

Unless the report on seismic activity arrived after the fleet left Earth, of course. Perhaps the drilling started something like five minutes before Amanda saw the beam; the Enterprise received the distress call mentioning seismic activity while en route; Chekov informed the crew of this new development; and the camera then cut to Amanda walking to the balcony, mere seconds after Chekov had finished his PA.

The initial report of trouble, the one that caused the fleet to be launched, may have been on account of Nero entering orbit with his jammers on and destroying Vulcan local defenses and starships. That'd remove the need to think that the spatial black holes cause the tremors... Also, the idea of the fleet receiving the report while en route frees up the timeline.

Or then certain scenes were shown out of chronological order. In any case, the timeline's an unholy mess, and requires major rationalization. Hardly a case of "everybody getting it just fine"!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Do you have a source that backs up this claim?

Yes: Reality.

Ah, so you cannot cite a source. So it's just your opinion presented as a fact.

Ah, so I can. It's called reality, whether you choose to accept reality is up to you. Show me where masses are complaining about it?

*Psssss, they aren't, thus if the timeline is "sooo screwed up" then more than 3 people would be complaining about it. But they aren't.*
 
Umm, just about anybody who bothers to type on these fori at all is complaining. It's just that since very few bother, three is a pretty strong statistical showing...

For the 99% of the audience that isn't interested in Trek fori, or probably in Star Trek in general, I'd suggest the "reality" of the matter is that they went "Fun movie, didn't make any sense at all, but hey, it's scifi". Which means they're in our camp. ;)

Timo Saloniemi
 
Ah, so I can. It's called reality, whether you choose to accept reality is up to you. Show me where masses are complaining about it?

Wow, you truly don't understand the concept, do you? Which explains many things.

Your own perception of "reality" is not a fact, it's just an opinion. Show me the 99% that didn't complain. Where does that number come from? It is not my job do disprove your statement, it is actually your job to back it up first. But it seems that you can't.

Random Guy: 70% hate Obama's administration.
Me: How do you know? Where does that number come from?
Random Guy: It's called reality, just look around. Accept it or not. Prove to me that there are not 70% hating Obama!
Nope. Random Guy fails.
 
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