Alternate universe in the 24th Century
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No, because they've been living on the same planet this whole time. Who knows what kind of divergence might have developed on Vulcan vs. Romulus.
Cultural taboos are hard to break. The Vulcans arent even that fond of Vulcans who stray from the norm. (V'tosh ka'tur)Spock probably has that cultural bias ( yeah ironic) and sees the Romulans (a planet/Empire of V'tosh ka'tur) as something not quite Vulcan, even though genetics say otherwise.
Picard has a full head of lustrous hair. And, while still excelling at a variety of techniques, Data is primarily gay.
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Yeppers.
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Just the way it works, I guess.
Remember that TNG ep where a Romulan needed a transfusion? The Vulcan crewmembers weren't compatible - but *Worf* was.
Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?
I didn't see that the Enterprise beamed 10,000 Vulcans aboard.
I didn't see that the Enterprise beamed 10,000 Vulcans aboard.
When?
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I know Spock orders an emergency evacuation, and when Spock beams down, you can see one or two Vulcan ships flying off, leaving vapour trails in the sky.
One thing from the film that bugged me was that the whole time Spock was down there and after he got back, the Enterprise should have been beaming up as many random Vulcans as they could carry. Spock's reaction to Amanda's death would have been just as profound had he been immediately dragged by security to a corner to make way for another wave of beam-ins after returning.
I know Spock orders an emergency evacuation, and when Spock beams down, you can see one or two Vulcan ships flying off, leaving vapour trails in the sky.
One thing from the film that bugged me was that the whole time Spock was down there and after he got back, the Enterprise should have been beaming up as many random Vulcans as they could carry. Spock's reaction to Amanda's death would have been just as profound had he been immediately dragged by security to a corner to make way for another wave of beam-ins after returning.
Re: Should novels set in the JJVerse rectify the film's plot holes?
I'm not following.
I'm not following.
That's easy, it never happen. There was no mention of evacuation ships at all.
Spock doesn't directly order a evacuation, he orders a nameless bridge officer, to communicate with the (presumably) Vulcan government, instructing them to signal a evacuation. Three or four minutes later the planet is gone.
When Spock arrive in the Katric ark, the location of the Vulcan High Council, the evacuation is a mystery. He has to personally directs the elders to leave.
No need to correct someone when they're right, given the timing, the only people rescued from Vulcan were the handful beamed up by the Enterprise. JarodRussell was correct to start with.
It made no sense not to beam up random groups of Vulcans from the surface.
What I figure is this, Spock's prime goal at that time was to remove the elders of Vulcan High Council from Vulcan. Spock didn't want to tie up the Enterprise's transporters beaming up ordinary Vulcans.
He wanted all the transporters to stand ready for the exclusive evacuation of the elders.
Interbreeding with Romulans might have produced more Vulcanoids, but would these new children grow to be cultural Vulcans? Or would perhaps grow to become Romulans. If these new children failed to be "ethnic" Vulcans, Spock wouldn't view them as Vulcans at all.
I have a tough time reconciling the events of the new movie with past Trek. Since the film came out I've broken things down into two categories, the Star Trek universe and the What-If universe. After that everything makes perfect sense and I can enjoy them all for what they are.
The Romulans could also come from only one or a few ethnic groups of Vulcans, which would make them different from the Vulcan race as a whole from the get-go. Whatever selection pressures they faced on their journey and on their new planet would have added to the difference. For instance, Romulus seems temperate and wet compared with Vulcan - did that influence which Vulcanoids were able to adapt and survive in an alien climate?
You're right that there are two different realities. It's like the regular and MU universes. Now we know about a third universe, the Abramsverse. There are most likely an infinite number of parallel realities, so I see no problem with Star Trek adding a third to the two we already know about.
This is NOT a reset-the-timeline story, or even a break-the-timeline-and-don't-reset-it story. The timeline was never broken. Every reality has a unique timeline that does not imitate the others 100% although there may be many similarities.
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About Romulans and Vulcans: 2000 years would not seem enough for big evolutionary changes - but aren't the Remans meant to be decendants of Vulcan settlers too? They've got the telepathic powers, pointed ears and protruding brows. I think Remus was supposed to be radioactive, which may account for the mutations.
Like it's irrefutable fact. We're talking about ill-defined ficticious concepts that can be (and have been) made to work however the writers want them to at the time.
About Romulans and Vulcans: 2000 years would not seem enough for big evolutionary changes - but aren't the Remans meant to be decendants of Vulcan settlers too? They've got the telepathic powers, pointed ears and protruding brows. I think Remus was supposed to be radioactive, which may account for the mutations.
On that point, even quantum mechanics dictates that two divergent universes would by default be at the very least "slightly different", even if the only difference was a few displaced protons. Over time, that could manifest itself in different ways.
It's true that the writers will always make things as similar or dissimilar as they want them to be, but it's precisely the reason I gave that gives them licence to do so. For example, you could write Picard out of existence and put a woman on the Enterprise B (the original and A might have lasted longer in this universe) because it's logical that the circumstances that lead to his birth wouldn't have occurred. Also possible is a universe in which a man named Jean Luc Picard becomes a Starship Captain in the 24th century.
Since the alternate universe now knows what happens to Romulus in 129 years, do they tell the Romulans, or keep it to themselves? Even if they don't, I'm willing to bet that Section 31 would make sure and take Nero out, regardless of the consequences, in the name of Federation security. This would of course, create a grandfather paradox.
And wasn't it the Klingons, not the Federation that had 25 years to study Borg technology, and still didn't know crap about it? Remember that the new Enterprise was designed after the Kelvin incident and was probably more advanced than it was in the original timeline because Starfleet recognised that its ships weren't up to snuff against unknowns. That being said, the new Design faired no better than any other against the Narada.
And wasn't it the Klingons, not the Federation that had 25 years to study Borg technology, and still didn't know crap about it? Remember that the new Enterprise was designed after the Kelvin incident and was probably more advanced than it was in the original timeline because Starfleet recognised that its ships weren't up to snuff against unknowns. That being said, the new Design faired no better than any other against the Narada.
They don't know anything of the kind. They may know what happens to the Romulus of the prime universe, but not the one in *their* universe.
As of now, the entire course of events in the Abramsverse will be wildly different. So anything is possible. We have no idea what caused the supernova in the prime 'verse...
although I believe the comics state that the Remans are responsible
...so we don't know *WHAT* will happen to this version of Romulus.
Some of us here think that the events in Trek XI happened in the same universe although the time line within the same universe has been altered from what it once was.
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